Government erasing women's voices on the GRA consultation

Denial of the right of existence of entire human groups is contrary to international law but it describes exactly what's happening to biological women in the UK

Good reminder - was it Julia Long and her citing cultural genocide?

I agree - predators pick off those who are vulnerable for some reason and /or who they know they can isolate and intimidate - they seem to be able to pick distress up from a child's body language.

I'm thinking here of that awful priest in Baltimore, Maskell, who started his offending in his teens as a Church youth worker, continued it as a priest and trafficked children to other men. He made sure he was chaplain at multiple authorities eg police, army etc so he was well covered. He had a gynaecologist and police as accomplices (never charged).

The Church and Police protected him every step of the way, even when a nun who was threatening to expose him, was murdered. He was a school chaplain and abused girls in his room at a high school in plain sight for years - he knew the ones to target and who not. He abused both girls and boys during his life. When facts started to emerge he was removed from office but not defrocked and moved to Ireland where he continued his offending as a counsellor.

I recall some of the women who had been at the same school talking in a documentary and asking why them and not me?

These predators know who to target and a trans identifying child would no doubt be a prime one for them.

Denial of the right of existence of entire human groups is contrary to
international law but it describes exactly what's happening to biological women in the UK.

I forget who posted this, but it stuck.

Agreed LangCleg
As are social workers - the other group who work with the police and advise other agencies when they have safeguarding queries.

I'm still waiting for some enterprising journalist (as it's evidently not going to be an MP) to pick this up and raise it.

Person in authority or youth service worker/volunteer 22%

That's 1 in 5 abusers being authority figures. So tell me again why trans lobby group guidance for orgs with regard to trans children advises the allowing of confidential disclosures and the dispensing of multi-agency working?

As I said on the Savile thread, this guidance literally paints a target on the trans child's back and holds out an open invitation for abusers to funnel themselves into any situation where trans children might be. Because they can become the secret confidant - exactly what any abuser longs to be.

The police are being trained with this material, not just teachers and youth workers. Think about this.

It's also privacy and dignity. It's about the right for women and girls to say no to being naked in front of people with penises.

It's also fairness and the right for females to compete against females in sport

Some don't think we have a right to that, unfortunately

Yep I know - it's outrageous - as though sex offenders aren't anything to worry about.

I found this if you're interested - stats about sex offenders

It seems to be sourced from different countries - I thought this was interesting:

1652 offenders - All convicted and for sexually abusing children.
 Biological parent 16%
 Stepparent 14%
 Other relative 16%
 Acquaintance/friend of parent 26%
 Person in authority or youth service worker/volunteer 22%
 Stranger 05%
 Other 01%

It's not just safety from abuse of a self-Id system that is the issue.

It's also privacy and dignity. It's about the right for women and girls to say no to being naked in front of people with penises.

It's also fairness and the right for females to compete against females in sport.

Yes please also.

Still can't get over the entitlement of whoever it was. So inflated.

I've been collecting data on attacks already occurring in countries where Self ID exists. I send it all to my MP and I know he has read it. Sadly there is plenty of evidence already in spite of constantly reading (twitter) "but this never happens".

That's Great Lady Would love a copy/reference - have you one?

My point being that streamlining the process isn't a bad thing which is what the GRA amendments are about. Not making it easier to assault women.

Which is why streamlining it in a way that doesn't make it easier to assault women should be the aim. Right?

So a proper impact assessment and not willfully ignoring expert evidence that this would happen under self-id is essential.

Well funny you should say that because autism seems often to be a co-morbidity. It's definitely been exploited as a TRA 'poor me' when there's been abuse and bullying. No names no pack drill but all the feminists know.

Yes, I've seen that too Pratchet. I think it's appalling and I'm shocked at MN allowing it when posters do it here.

It would be like me showing up on an autistic support thread and announcing I'm autistic too because I occasionally.

I'd be shown the door pdq, and rightly so.

I think some men identify as intersex because they think their brain is female and that counts. I've seen people say that on Twitter. I've never seen a woman say it.

Thanks Rowan

Did you all notice the question phrasing about intersex?

"6. Do you identify as intersex?" (italics mine)

Since when was intersex something you could identify into/out of? I thought intersex was a medical diagnosis based on chromosal analysis/physical examination/whatever, not something that you could just decide you were

The massive entitlement there - doesn't even deny it will endanger women and girls - just 'how else can I get what I want'. And that voice is listened to while the endangered woman's voice isn't.

safeguarding puts women and children in harms way - Chesterton's Fence - the Fence was there for a reason - unless one understands the reason for it being there, one shouldn't be dismantling it.

Important thread discussing child protection and safeguarding vulnerable adults, young people and children.

Identifies the systemic issues/ failures of frameworks intended to protect.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301266-Safeguarding-girls-and-protecting-women-post-Jimmy-Saville-metoo

You can all purposely twist my words I didn't

so how would you all suggest I personally proceed

Why is it up to us to solve your problem?

Either there are only 39 lesbians in the uk, or only 39 who want to get the L out....... either way, that is quite illuminating of some of the propaganda that rears it's head on here.

According to FPFW only trans people were asked questions about the gender recognition process because of the survey logic, so most lesbians will not have been asked about this.

So how would you all suggest I personally proceed? Leave my legal documents and passport non-updated in a name no longer in use? Be unable to leave the country at all, have my bank accounts in an old name with an "Mx" marker for the rest of my life?

Streamlining safeguarding puts women and children in harms way - Chesterton's Fence - the Fence was there for a reason - unless one understands the reason for it being there, one shouldn't be dismantling it.