Is transgenderism a cult?

Meh, I don't really have enough contact with transactivists to know whether they display those qualities or not.

I know a good number of them are true of the MN Feminism boards though. Not enough that I'd call it a cult, but so many that I'm surprised you guys hadn't noticed when posting those lists.

Seriously, the mirror is a useful tool.

AuntMsVanillaRose

Did you ever consider:

Just letting people be themselves?

Yes. If you have read any threads here, you will see that that is exactly what most people here are advocating.

Letting people be themselves requires neither labelling nor conforming to gender stereotypes.

upstart
That one works along similar lines to people who police their own swearing because they think it makes them look coarse or common - its a form of mind control, and it limits free thinking and freedom of emotional response.
what absolute tosh.

I agree with others that although some of the behaviours involved in the gender identity ideology are cult-like but there's no cult as such.

I think we are suffering from a really unfortunate synergy sums it up for me. A number of different interest groups have latched on to this for different reasons with the common goal of obtaining power and influence. Which in some cases might be on a very small scale of a person just being able to manipulate those they're in contact with, for example see the trans widows thread.

the basis for the ideology can be found in Hollywood sci-fi body swap movies

They were both around/started about the same time, the early-mid 90s.
To clarify for those not familiar, prior to 'transgenderism' was only ever 'transsexualism' (and drag queens and cross dressers).

I'm not stating conspiracy theory, but if the tinfoil hat fits... (LOL)

DH has a theory that a proportion of humans are just unable to process the uncertainties of life and actively seek out authoritarian/cultic/repressive religious/lifestyle groups in order to be given structure and basically to be told how to live.

I think it has merit. Some are just 'seekers of belonging' and go from one cult-like thing to another.

That’s interesting crow - I hadn’t thought about that - it’s cognitive loading.

It certainly has many aspects of cultivation behaviour. Along with aspects of authoritarian behaviour as well.

DH has a theory that a proportion of humans are just unable to process the uncertainties of life and actively seek out authoritarian/cultic/repressive religious/lifestyle groups in order to be given structure and basically to be told how to live. It’s fairly depressing as a thought but I can see it has merit.
People seem to need to belong to a group that adheres to rules

Thanks for proving that there is no trans cult.

Red posted it for the opposite reasons actually.

Also, it's the anti-trans people who are suggesting that nazis weren't the bad guys. So - bleuuuch.

Godwin's Law ... already? The night is still so very young.
Hint: You played your hand way too soon. Troll harder.

One Follower of Genderism suggested on another thread that the basis for the ideology can be found in Hollywood sci-fi body swap movies. That has a lot of parallels with Scientology and their belief system.

and @AuntMsVanillaRose your post at 10:19 is just more of the same

how does RTB's post prove there is no cult?

back up your statements

otherwise i will be forced to conclude you're just someone whose opinions have no basis in fact

Yes, it's a cult.

As AuntMsVanillaRose is demonstrating by having nothing other than special vocabulary and mantras to offer. Nothing in the way of concrete analysis of the structure of the Followers of Genderism and how this structure does not relate to cult structure.

C'mon, Aunt - analyse the political movement for us and show us that it does not have any cult hallmarks. I'm all ears.

think someone (on the TRA side) has been very clever keeping the debate on bathrooms and changing rooms

1. it resonates with the bathroom ban so liberals (without knowing the issues) will be automatically in favour of self -identity and be unable to see the issues

2. In many cases most people don't use a bathroom or a changing room where it is an issue -most places where people go for a wee are gender/sex neutral. Thus hard for people to get their heads round the small number of cases where it is a problem

3. Issues surrounding other spaces - refuges, AWS etc lend themselves far more to the GC side so undermine their case

So my advice is move the debate on from bathrooms

That one works along similar lines to people who police their own swearing because they think it makes them look coarse or common - its a form of mind control, and it limits free thinking and freedom of emotional response.
People who join cults are so busy calculating whether a thing goes against the rules that they lose their spontaneity, and their sense of humour and good will.

AuntMsVanillaRose

Do you believe humans can change sex?

Reduced use of irony, abstractions and metaphors

Actually laughed at that one, but yes.

I’ll add another - being unable to have the piss taken out of you without getting violent. That’s never a good sign.

and AuntMsVanillaRose i don't really care about changing rooms and toilets. i've shared them with transwomen with no ill effects. i understand that others care though and respect their right to do so

i care about women's sport

why should we accept a lie than men can become women and watch women's ability to participate in sport crumble away?

i care about women's representation in parliament

all women short lists changed the landscape in the house of commons. got us up to around 1/3 of MPs being women. taking us to the heady heights of being 32nd in the world in terms of equal representation of women in politics

why should men take spaces on those shortlists?

do these beliefs make me trabsphobic?

its a really bizarre cult. It seems to have different factions thoough. Youve got the trans women are women thing which is bizarre and so anti science. It is like speaking to religious zealots who have recently found God.

Then youve got the fifty thousand different new genders aspect, which is just totally hilarious and is likely to blow over soon
I have no idea who could possibly take it seriously. Look at this list, and then click on the logo to read their advice board
genderfluidsupport.tumblr.com/gender

If it looks like a cult and it acts like a cult, it's a cult.

It's a cult.

@RedToothBrush

Thanks for proving that there is no trans cult.

Also, it's the anti-trans people who are suggesting that nazis weren't the bad guys. So - bleuuuch.

you can even call me a terf AuntMsVanillaRose and I wouldn't report your post.

it would be stupid and inaccurate, but knock yourself out

cor your post was hard to understand AuntMsVanillaRose

literally nobody here cares if you call yourself cis.

you believe cis is an accurate description of yourself

i get it. i think your are colluding in your own oppression but i get it. call yourself cis

It’s an ideology that we should not be forced to believe in.

Reduced use of irony, abstractions and metaphors

well that is a side effect of transactivism for sure

by god those people are earnest