Is transgenderism a cult?

It’s not a cult. A cult needs a leader. There is too much disagreement and inconsistency within TRA ranks itself for a leader ever to emerge.
It is a belief system or, if you prefer, a religion. Of a very intolerant kind.

Re "bloodless periods" I keep wanting to say "that's digestive problems, love - have some All Bran".

All this discussion of ‘bloodless periods’ on twitter shows how it’s become a cult. No one is allowed to question the madness or they are accused of all sorts.
There are going to be some law suits in the future

Where are the studies on detransitioners? How have TRA's reacted to the suggestion it should be studied?
Someone posted a video recently that purports to be a critique of Fair Play for Women, and they were scathing at the fact they had a a link to 'detransition'.

There's your cult behaviour.

Excluding and abusing anyone who dares to speak against the accepted narrative

Yup. Feminists who ain't GC ain't feminists, right?

"Submission" - check
"Exclusivity" - check

As I said in my previous post, it is not GC feminists who are saying 'no debate'.

How many of the same thread, over and over? How many of the same conversations, how many of the same posts between the same people?

But the most interesting ones are the ones where new posters turn up, particularly ones with different views. I appreciate your presence and persistence on these threads, Rat - it helps me to check whether I still think I am 'right'.

"Love Bombing"

Great Post, wonderful post, awesome post, fantastic post...

As UpstartCrow said, that's not 'love bombing' Its just the MN equivalent of a 'like' button.

"Shunning
1 - Those who do not keep in step with group policies are shunned and/or expelled." - Check

Not sure what you're getting at here. MN have suspended some people for bad behaviour, but that's not our doing. Everyone's welcome here, and as I've said, I enjoy a proper debate. Better than an echo chamber any day.

Your actual family just don't understand what's at stake.

That’s a worrying stance to have. confidential disclosure and parental alienation are very, very dangerous. Abusers thrive when that kind of environment is set up.

Also I'm surprised that some enterprising person hasn't yet established a business selling a Nurofen-type product to the people claiming to experience period cramps despite not actually having anything to cramp, as it were. Maybe they could add in a special yoga routine and some soothing candles too, kind of a package deal.

"Nobody is allowed to question the ideology"

Believe me, life is tough when you do.

It's not GC feminists who are saying 'no debate', Rat. Personally, I find it more interesting if people with a wide range of views come on here to debate. It helps me to understand my own position if I have to defend it against someone who disagrees.

"Encouraging children to find their 'rainbow' family and not listen to their actual family"

Your actual family just don't understand what's at stake.

Do you really mean that? Have you seen the anguish in the posts of parents whose children have suddenly, out of the blue, declared that they are 'trans'. I'm appalled that you can come on a parenting forum and say such a thing. Do you really think that a bunch of strangers on the internet are going to care more about a child's welfare than their actual family? Are you really that naive?

RE Lang's point, to be fair, the initial "let me tell you about my totally uterus free periods" comments are more an example of "this person is absolutely 100% unhinged and possibly in need of psychiatric assistance" than culty. The worshipful responses and subsequent insistence that the uterus-free individual is indeed experiencing cramps in an organ that they do not in fact have because they say so and therefore it must be true? That bit is definitely culty.

Oh, you mean the comments that not that long ago often included the claim that you hadn't made up your mind about the issue yet and were open to being persuaded?

When a guy can tweet about the pain of his terrible unacknowledged periods and PMT, and thousands of impressionable desperate-to-be-woke young people thank him for educating them, that they had no idea of THE AGONY OF MAN-PERIODS and retweeting it to their own networks, what the fuck else can we call it?

The cultiest cult that ever culted?

Thanks, Rat, I wasn't expecting quite such a long post.

"It's all there - the love bombing, the promise of a better life, the isolating from mainstream society, the scapegoating and othering of anyone who recognises what's really going on."

Er, yeah...

Are you suggesting that we do this on MN? Or what? I'm not sure what your point is here.

Your instinct to be kind and inclusive is actually your "female socialisation" and you need to reject that! Ignore your instincts, men put them there to enslave you.

One this we can perhaps agree on, again, Rat. I don't get this 'female socialisation' thing. But being caring, particularly about children, is what brought me to this issue. I watched this programme and saw children who were being taken to doctors as if there was something wrong with them because they were playing with the 'wrong' toys or wanted to wear the 'wrong' clothes for their sex.

Towards the end (about 50 min in) there is a young woman who was persuaded that she was transgender, and who took testosterone, which has permanently altered her appearance and her voice. Hers is a desperately sad story.

I think many of us became aware of this issue because of the way children are being affected. Mumsnet made me aware of how it might also affect me as a woman, but I still think that is less important and less urgent than what is being done to children.

To bring this back to your point, I don't think anyone here has suggested that we should not be caring about children, or ignore any instincts we have about such things.

It's already abundantly clear which camp you like to set your tent in, I don't think anyone is confused about that.

Er, yeah, it's abundantly clear because I've spent the last 12 months writing literally thousands of posts on the matter. I would bloody well hope it was abundantly clear by now!

I'm not a feminist, Rat, so I have no 'fellow feminists'. It's already abundantly clear which camp you like to set your tent in, I don't think anyone is confused about that.

And saying 'Yes, you're concerned about your child being funneled into a regressive ideology that encourages her tendency to self harm. But I don't see the problem." Is not acknowledging concerns.

Sorry Red, I missed that. Look, I'll reiterate what I said in my first post; I don't think GC Feminism is a cult at all. I just found it amusing that some of the traits being ascribed to transgenderism (to equate it to a cult) are equally present in GC Feminism. And it amused me that no one seemed to clock that when typing out their posts.

That's all!

It's definitely a cult.

When a guy can tweet about the pain of his terrible unacknowledged periods and PMT, and thousands of impressionable desperate-to-be-woke young people thank him for educating them, that they had no idea of THE AGONY OF MAN-PERIODS and retweeting it to their own networks, what the fuck else can we call it?

anyone can end up in IPV and anyone can end up in a cult

I agree and my apologies again - actually a very lovely friend of mine is in a church I’d consider cult like and she was recruited during a period of illness :( she was (and I think still is) vulnerable.
There are also plenty of men who actively get off on grinding strong women down in relationships with control and DV and I’ve seen that too.

People who actively seek this out maybe do it for different reasons and tend to be the ones who end up in the power wielding positions?

What a depressing world :(

Rat I asked you to look specifically at the definition of safe and unsafe groups.

It's important.

Can't bring herself to flesh out that balance by ever properly acknowledging their concerns

I acknowledge that you're concerned, I just don't necessarily agree that concern is always justified, or that your solution is appropriate. What you actually want is for me to agree. HTH.

or even enthusiastically critiquing the TRA posters or their position

Hahaha, show me a TRA poster who hasn't had their position enthusiastically critiqued long before I get there! Then I'll do it, just as soon as you start grilling your fellow GC feminists on things you likely agree with them on. Deal, yeah?

Bowl thx it is one of the myths about cults that strong people don't get groomed - a bit like blaming women who end up being IPV.

Everyone has vulnerable times in their lives - when someone close has died, a relationship finished, perhaps being at Uni and struggling up find ones place, feeling not in the cool gang at high school etc - what the cults do is actively look for people in those vulnerable times and prey on them.

Some other people may prefer a sense of belonging - that's natural as we're herd animals - it's not their fault if their kindness is taken advantage of - it's the fault of those who deliberately use and abuse others

Language is so important around this - anyone can end up in IPV and anyone can end up in a cult - it's not their fault - it wasn't on their life plan- they were groomed by skilled manipulators up to no good

Ah, Rat is here to show how tremendously balanced she is by critiquing, yet again, the GC posters and their position. Can't bring herself to flesh out that balance by ever properly acknowledging their concerns, or even enthusiastically critiquing the TRA posters or their position. But she did a dissertation on the correct way to slice and dice word salad, so she totally has the smarts.

Rat, all you've done is show you don't understand the terms.

The example of love bombing isn't love bombing, and you don't know what shunning is either.

Well hopefully it at least made sense to oldCrone, who asked me what in the thread above had struck me as being applicable to the MN GC feminists. As I have collated just that for her; the quotes from the thread above that seemed pretty obviously applicable.

Thanks for saying my posts use to make sense; I'm sure next time I'm using full sentences they will again.

I'm not complaining, I'm acknowledging the irony.

Gosh Rat I remember when your posts made some sense.

I like what Mr Bowl says but yes not in a it's their own fault way just that it does seem to an observable need is some people.

Followers of Genderism are definately cult like but the leadership is not visible enough. Although as a job creation scheme in relation to instructing people in the faith it is quite extraordinary.