Have any of you seen the thread by AngryBird on Twitter?

Who the fuck is Tom Wilson, and is he really saying what he appears to be saying?

Yes, he is, but I'm not sure whether he is
a) a right-wing troll attempting to discredit the entire LGBT+ movement by associating it with abuse, or
b) an actual abuser seeking validation.

There is a huge difference between freely inviting someone into your safe spaces as a compassionate act and being forced to accomodate people because they're using intimidation and violence to get their own way.

Consent....who'd have thought it was such a difficult concept to grasp, eh?

Indeed.

Wow, that's a powerful and clear statement from TruscumTeen. I do hope people with sex dysphoria get heard properly instead of being shouted over.

X post BettyDu

See also Rose of Dawn's most recent video:

"The phrase 'truscum' is often used against transsexuals who disagree with the gender radical agenda. But what does it actually mean? I dispel some of the strange and slanderous accusations levelled at truscum such as myself."

www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=135&v=UCIQSEGJ66A

She comments:
twitter.com/Rose_Of_Dawn

m.youtube.com/user/AshleeK9/videos?flow=list&sort=da&view=0

These should be in the order Rose uploaded them, but skip to the ‘what does the co opting the trans movement look like’ for the one most relevant to Angy Birds twitter thread.

Everyone I know in real life thinks all transfolk are like Angry Bird - I did too, and for ages I refused to look further into the stuff my feminist friends were trying to show me.

I was a boiled frog.

Rose of Dawn, who is a young transsexual (younger than me) has posted videos on YouTube that also plot the changing timeline. She seems to know a lot about all the weird stuff going on within the NUS and is very clear and easy to listen to when doing something else. Will go find a link.

See current thread:

OP @TruscumTeen wrote:
"I want to start this off by saying that I am transsexual, and that I am in no way intending to offend people - I merely wish to explain why it is extremely important to acknowledge this fact.

For a long time now I have been reading threads from this talk topic. I used to be somewhat of a very politically correct SJW, however I had my eyes opened by these threads (thank you all for that, by the way).

I find it completely and utterly absurd that stating biological facts is now considered "transphobic", and that people actually accept the self-identification of people declaring themselves as trans. I am extremely aware that I am biologically female, and that I always will be. I strongly, strongly disagree with self-identification, and with the idea that transgenderism is not the result of a mental illness.

So, firstly, a definition:
Mental illness = a condition which causes serious disorder in a person's behaviour or thinking.
Now, in the title I put the word "gender" in quotations. This is because transsexuals like myself experience SEX dysphoria - not dysphoria of a social construct.
So, SEX dysphoria causes extreme discomfort and distress. It can lead to other mental illnesses such as eating disorders, depression, anxiety and suicidality. It results in people wanting to mutilate their own bodies. SEX dysphoria literally fits the definition of a mental illness.

Just a quick "rant": We all find it atrocious when people say things like "oh, I'm so OCD"; "you are skinny, so obviously are anorexic", or when people self-diagnose themselves with mental illnesses. So why do people find it acceptable in this case? I see it all the time: "I want short hair, so I'm gender dysphoric"; "I love wearing make up - I must have gender dysphoria". It totally makes a mockery of people who actually have SEX dysphoria, who face a continous struggle against themselves.

Now on to why this fact is important:

If we declasssify SEX dysphoria as a mental illness, we face the inevitability of widespread self-identification. There are so many problems with this (I'll just mention a few):

As many of you will know, there have been documented cases where males self-identify as women and go on to abuse females in supposedly "safe spaces". None of these abusers will have dysphoria, yet are considered "trans" - disagree and you are a bigot.

Males can self-identify as women and threaten lesbians into sleeping with them. This is downright disgusting, and is a real problem.

Declasssifying it will mean removing the treatments (hormones, surgery) from the NHS, having a disastrous, detrimental affect on transsexuals - such as myself -who experience debilitating SEX dysphoria. We cannot afford tens of thousands of pounds in order to alleviate the symptoms of our mental illness. This will lead to a huge increase in transsexual suicides (REAL suicides, not the debunked, skewed current claims), which will be hidden and overlooked due to shouts of a "progressive society" from transactivists and transtrenders.

This is just a relatively brief overview of why acknowledging dysphoria as a mental illness is important. I apologise for the rambling, inarticulate and probably incoherent nature of my post. I am more than happy to answer questions/debate if that is what people wish (though probably tomorrow as I am tired). I just wanted to vocalise my views, as there is a minority of us genuine transsexuals in the "community" who are constantly berated and insulted for stating facts.

Also, to every woman posting in Feminism Chat - I agree with you wholeheartedly and stand with you."

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3301971-Gender-Dysphoria-Is-A-Mental-Illness

I saw that thread, I thought it was brilliant.
I do admire the transexuals who are speaking out there are so few of them & the abuse they get is appalling. I hope they are able to support each other.

I thought this was great and I was even more pleased that Graham Linehan retweeted it (he is getting a lot of flack for doing so though if anyone is on Twitter and wants to support him).

The tragedy to me is that before men started demanding things of us and trampling all over our boundaries in this debate, I'd happily have treated transsexuals like Angry Bird as honorary women. Which makes no logical sense as I believe being female is simply a biological reality and not some kind of membership of an exclusive club. But there you go; I'm compassionate and recognise transsexuals are mostly trying to live their lives quietly and deal with what is a very devastating disorder. I'm sure many here have the same reaction.

There is a huge difference between freely inviting someone into your safe spaces as a compassionate act and being forced to accomodate people because they're using intimidation and violence to get their own way.

Consent....who'd have thought it was such a difficult concept to grasp, eh?

AngryBird (Amanda Dee) was a founde of TransOxford.

She is a trans woman.

She spoke out after the protests against WPUK in Oxford (April), describing it as when 'the bullies became the bullied' and issued a statement:

"l‘m not condemning the meeting of @WomansPlaceUK but the shameful campaign of bullying and intimidation organised by the students and transactivists outside of the QuakerHouse.
I’ve studied in Oxford, once a capital of freethought and freespeech, known for its fair debates with respect to the opinions of one’s opponents and refreshingly skilful and witty arguments challenging their views.

Bullying, although surfacing occasionally, was never welcome, especially, in the LGBT circles having too many victims of it knowing only too well how much it hurts. But last night the tables have turned - and the bullied became the bullies

I founded TransOxford in 2015 to promote the greater unity and more extensive communications between the separate transgender groups some of which had no idea of the others existing in the same city.

It eventually became a connecting hub between the trans groups in London Brighton, Reading, Swindon, Bristol, Bath.

I was promoting unity and understanding between these groups and the society around them, acceptance and equality and, most importantly, social integration of trans people with the rest of the world." (continues)
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3234661-Condemnation-of-the-shameful-campaign-of-bullying-intimidation-against-WPUK-meeting-by-founder-of-TransOxford

See this article by Professor Michale Biggs (Sociology Dept Oxford) which describes the context and Amanda Dees statement.
He concludes:
'I have entered this debate not because I am a feminist but because freedom of speech is one of the highest values of a democratic society, and the basic foundation of university life.
Transgender activism poses a grave threat to freedom of speech.'

users.ox.ac.uk/~sfos0060/FreeSpeechOxford.pdf
thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3257819-Michael-Biggs-Sociology-Dept-Oxford-Free-speech-at-Oxford-Do-women-have-the-right-to-meet-to-discuss-legislation?

I'm tempted to print that out and send it to my MP.

Expanding and giving more rights to ‘gender expressionists’ will never be enough for them. They’ll demand more. Rights means power and power is intoxicating

Exactly. Even they don't really believe in gender identities. They just want to be free to be in charge and hate what they can't become.

Calls to be ‘visible and proud of being trans’ were also defying the whole purpose of our transition as ultimately we all always wanted to integrate seamlessly and live as ordinary women without drawing any unnecessary attention to ourselves.

This is what trans don't get. This is why trans ideology is misogynistic. This is why we, with stereotypical female gendered behaviour, had no issues accepting transsexuals until the trans ideology, with stereotypical male gendered behaviour, started shoving people around.

There is so much in that thread I agree with, but this really resonates Expanding and giving more rights to ‘gender expressionists’ will never be enough for them. They’ll demand more. Rights means power and power is intoxicating

hack I agree there has been a blurring and misuse of language which is deliberate in order to confuse.

That's a very moving piece. The problem is that TRAs have deliberately sowed confusion in the public mind. Most people think of "transgender" people as trans-sexuals - people with a strong sense of being born in the wrong body who desperately want to pass as the opposite sex, and usually have surgery and hormones. They don't realise that "transgender' largely refers to people who are simply cross-dressers. So any woman who says I don't want to share female spaces with transgender people sounds like a nasty, mean old transphobe.

I follow quite a few transsexuals (or truscum as TRAs like to call them) on Twitter who agree with Angrybird and more seem to be emerging - I get the feeling there are a lot who talk to each other as well.

Angrybird used to be involved in some transgender organisation (I forget which) and was quite well known as an activist but then she saw how transgenderism was going and what was happening, was horrified and left it all. She's had quite a rough time of it as a result as you can imagine.

There are a lot of angry, bemused, worried - and ignored - transsexuals out there because of the activities of the TRAs

I feel so sorry for what is happening to all those in angrybird’s position. I totally agree that it is not just women’s rights that are at risk but trans rights and sexuality, anything dependent on sex. All those rights are equally important to me.

I’m grateful they wrote that thread and I understand not wanting to, or not feeling up to, wading into twatter! I closed my account even though I had never written anything GC on there!

It makes me so sad... I can’t write anything brilliantly pithy about the ideology behind this...

82% of the UK agrees with AngryBird that trans should mean transsexual (ie be a medical diagnosis) not transgender (a marketing term invented to include the cross dressers). As Pink News recently told us.

I remember AngryBird. When they first started saying this stuff they were chased off Twitter by the Followers of Gender. Glad to see they came back.

That’s the sinister thing about the movement. Joe Public assume ‘trans’ means people like Angrybird, people with a serious mental illness for whom surgery and hormones and living as a woman are the correct treatment. We have historically welcomed them into our spaces because they pose no threat and are just trying to live their lives.

In fact the vast majority of trans males now are heterosexual men with a fetish, or just narcissists, or ‘incels’ who’ve discovered a nifty way to get chicks (so they think). It’s obscene.

Joe Public then assume us narsty terfs are objecting to the transsexuals and so of course we are bigoted and mean. And the TRAs then compound this with their hyperbole about literal violence and people wanting them dead.

It’s really quite horrifying.

I like the use of the 'false umbrella' - as opposed to Baronesss Featherwotsit and her 'faux feminists'

Thanks for posting that. I've bookmarked it to send to my MP, who informed me in a tone of virtuous superiority, that transexual was an outdated term that they (the Labour Party) were going to do away with.

Voices like AngryBird's are so important, and need to be heard.