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Equality or Equality

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MeRichard · 13/07/2018 05:33

It is 100 years next year since women were first accepted as solicitors. The incoming president of the law society is female. Forty eight percent of lawyers are too (vs 47% of the general workforce). This all looks like progress. Predictably, the picture is lagging in top roles with just one third of partners being women.

We often think of law as very well paid, but lawyers often work very long hours and salary variations are huge. While a corporate solicitor in London, when starting, can be paid £90,000, a new provincial lawyer may earn below minimum hourly wage.

Seven percent of children attend private school, yet they make up 44% of those in the high-paying law firms. For well paid junior roles, the recent shift has not been toward women but specifically toward rich, privileged women. Ethnically the story is similar with privately educated Asians dominating, leaving behind state-schooled black girls, for example.

Law looks likely to achieve equality without any danger of becoming a meritocracy.

How much does the exclusion of the majority of the best women from a profession threaten gender equality?

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MrsTerryPratchett · 13/07/2018 19:50

No, I said " in your opinion". Because I don't agree. When you have an adversarial system, with judges letting rapists off entirely or with a slap on the wrist, and property seen as more valuable than people, and all the other hangovers... the law is deeply misogynist. Just having more female lawyers doesn't fix that. It should help over time. It won't help with the racism or classism.

DieAntword · 13/07/2018 19:37

It does suck for people who went to private school that so many of them get suckered into a law career but thankfully the vast majority of people do manage to avoid it. I don’t think there needs to be special measures to help the people who did make the fools mistake of pursuing law. They can always change careers later.

MeRichard · 13/07/2018 19:34

Carol, they have over six times as many who went to private school compared to the general population.

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caroldecker · 13/07/2018 19:15

Why are you convinced they are not selecting the best women who apply?

MeRichard · 13/07/2018 19:01

I am suggesting, Ataterf, that law did a bad job of selecting men and they are not simply choosing the best women either. The numbers tell that, in particular, they cannot be selecting the best women into the highest-paying roles.

So, MrsTerryPratchett, I am pondering whether reaching simple numerical equality does eliminate sexism? Is it OK to say that "we are now equally incompetent at selecting female candidates".

Does equality, any dimension of equality really, demand meritocracy?

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FemWomb · 13/07/2018 12:04

^^

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/07/2018 07:35

The profession is no longer sexist (in your opinion) but still racist and classist? That's neither equality nor equity, surely.

Ataterf · 13/07/2018 05:46

Are you suggesting that new women lawyers are less socially or ethnically diverse that new men lawyers? If so, do you have any evidence for that? What are the figures?

If not, I don't understand your argument - you seem to be mixing up separate (but important) issues.