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Is it possible not to agree thatTWAW

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BertrandRussell · 12/07/2018 18:57

ans not be transphobic? Because I think transwomen are transwomen and deserve all the rights and protections of the law, and should to live their lives peacefully, unharnessed and using any names or pronouns they wish. But I don't think they are actually, literally women. Incidentally, neither does the only transperaon I know well enough who is old enough to ask. If thinking that makes me transphobic is she transphobic too?

OP posts:
TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 13/07/2018 07:12

left handed people ARE lefthanded
Gay people ARE gay
Trans women ARE NOT women

Just a slight difference then?

TransplantsArePlants · 13/07/2018 07:11

And what The FemaleGaze said

TransplantsArePlants · 13/07/2018 07:09

Left handed people are allowed to use scissors, daim. It's just not helpful for them to use right-handed ones.

TheFemaleGaze · 13/07/2018 07:04

should be free to live their lives as trans women.

There, corrected it for you.

daimbars · 13/07/2018 07:02

OP I think it's really interesting you call being transgender a 'psychological quirk'

I've been mulling it over and I think I agree with you.

It's certainly a group of people with a shared characteristic that may or may not be due to the balance of brain hormones.

Other psychological quirks I can think of are being gay and being left handed. Both deviations from the norm. And both considered sinister in the past.

Society used to try and force left handed people to be right handed and gay people to be straight.

I believe left handed people should be free to use their left hand, gay people should be free to love and marry one another and trans women should be free to live their lives as women.

ballsballsballs · 13/07/2018 07:02

I'm no transphobe. But transwomen are women is utter nonsense.

ADastardlyThing · 13/07/2018 06:51

How has the word phone changed? Confused

TheFemaleGaze · 13/07/2018 06:45

@pratchet at which of the ponds was that photo taken? I'm asking as a user of Kenwood pond.

@bertrandrussell made me laugh. Thanks.

Original poster
BertrandRussell · 13/07/2018 06:36

What-phone as in a device for communicating with someone out of shouting range?

OP posts:
Snappity · 13/07/2018 06:33

Isn't it more usual to find a new word for a new thing, rather than to change the meaning of an established word to encompass a new thing?

No. Look how the word phone has changed

Original poster
BertrandRussell · 13/07/2018 06:28

Isn't it more usual to find a new word for a new thing, rather than to change the meaning of an established word to encompass a new thing?

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WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 13/07/2018 03:45

What are words and how do they work?

Words are shifting constellations aren't they?

Not sure how shifting constellations work though.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 13/07/2018 03:43

Wrt the op

You can only know that they are not women and refuse to accept that they are if you are willing to accept punishment for it.

It is officially wrongthink.

thebewilderness · 13/07/2018 03:43

I think they are women born with male anatomy.

And I think cats are dogs with feline anatomy.

What are words and how do they work?

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 13/07/2018 03:39

I think they are women born with male anatomy.

And I think cats are dogs with feline anatomy.

Pratchet · 13/07/2018 03:19

Flutter: I hope you aren't trying to suggest that black people are the same danger to white people that men are to women. That would be disgustingly racist.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 13/07/2018 02:27

Anything that appropriates the word woman is not on

LaSquirrel · 13/07/2018 02:16

Unless I've missed something, you've mixed up which thread you're on flutterby.

Or just the latest in derailing techniques Errol ?

thebewilderness · 13/07/2018 00:49

We have the same problem in the US. White males commit the majority of crimes but the majority of charges are filed against black males.
The racism, classism, and misogyny, is built into the society and the system, just as it is in the UK.

catkind · 13/07/2018 00:42

I'm confused by the claims I've seen here and elsewhere that the law recognises that TWAW. I thought that was what the whole self ID debate was about. Currently the law recognises certain diagnosed gender dysphorics who've gone through a lengthy formal process as being legally women. A very small subset of those who refer to themselves as transwomen. If you go with the law do you then recognise TW who are not suffering from body dysphoria as being men as legally they are?

ErrolTheDragon · 13/07/2018 00:35

Unless I've missed something, you've mixed up which thread you're on flutterby.Confused

Flutterby1891 · 13/07/2018 00:27

So why is it taboo to state the above but not to post figures about trans or male crime?

Flutterby1891 · 13/07/2018 00:26

"In June 2007 the Home Affairs Select
Committee published a report on young
black people and the criminal justice
system of England and Wales. It said that young black people were over-represented at all stages of the criminal justice system."

"The Metropolitan Police Service is one of the few police forces which has collected statistics on gang rape. Filmmaker Sorious Samura compiled 29 such incidents involving young people from January 2006 to March 2009, and found that, of 92 people convicted, 66 were black or mixed race."

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_Kingdom#England_and_Wales_crime_statistics

Flutterby1891 · 13/07/2018 00:06

Bewilderness.

Is that comment aimed at me?

If not, I apologise. However, if it is then I'd say that if I'm unethical (racist?) for mentioning these facts then gender critical people must also be unethical (transphobic?) for invoking trans/male violence statistics surely? (and I'm only using them to prove a point, not to wage a war like many GC posters seem to be).

ErrolTheDragon · 12/07/2018 23:34

Sunday Trading law - inconvenient as it is for many of us - almost certainly wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for USDAW. Protection of low paid workers (mostly women?) rights, not just because of some people's beliefs.

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