Is it possible not to agree thatTWAW

To be clear - the twitterer posted pics from facebook with names and pics of babies and toddlers, saying that the women were transphobic.

Seriously, daimbars, you’re scraping it now. Gay women are women.
It’s interesting that the only person on the thread to try to drag gay women into it is you.

With regards to the question - I don't know if anyone else has raised this - I haven't much time at the moment to read through, BUT:
Does everyone know about the women AND THEIR CHILDREN who have been doxxed on Twitter because their women's group refused to refer to themselves as CIS?
I guess that means that it is not possible to disagree.

So they can talk about things that affect women only, maybe? - pregnancy, miscarriages, painful periods, it’s quite a long list actually.
A biological male does not
have as much in common with women as you appear to believe?

Men monopolise everything. Women sometimes want to be on their own.

You can only exclude on the basis of sex

And should that same women's crochet group be able to exclude gay women as they want it to be straight women only?

Why would a woman's crochet group not just want it to be women only?

What legitimate reason would they have for excluding a trans woman? Apart from prejudice?

No it is not possible not to agree TWAW if you simply don't like the idea of trans women being in female spaces.

Why not exactly?

Forget about the law - it is an ass.

Why would a woman's crochet group not just want it to be women only?

I find that difficult because the law (GRA) legally recognises them as women so you are effectively breaking the law.

But we don’t want trans women in female spaces because we don’t agree that they’re women. They’re trans women.
It is perfectly possible to follow that line of reasoning,daimbars, what do you find so difficult?

So in answer to the OP yes it is possible not to agree that TWAW if this is an internal belief system.

Yes it is possible not to agree that TWAW if you are an organisation wishing to apply EA exceptions.

Yes it is possible not to agree that TWAW if there is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim (ensuring trans women are not given an unfair advantage in women's sport)

No it is not possible not to agree TWAW if you simply don't like the idea of trans women being in female spaces.

So trans women are women except......... So in other words they are different

I agreed with RedToothbrush.

Yet you dislike it when people say the same things as you, more bluntly because they don't feel that social pressure, and they realise that social pressure is indeed part of the problem because its interfering with having a free and open conversation on this that focus on safeguarding rather than on the fragile identity of both militant TRAs and liberals desparate to prove their faith and belief in liberal morality.

Here we are again, your belief in transgenderism, falls apart because there is no universal objective moral code.

I ask again Diam am I wrong when I repeat what was stated by a philosopher, it is difficult if not impossible for a society to have a universal objective moral code without the aid of a supernatural element?

Transgenderism has no ET, no God, nothing giving humanity anything, it's just self interest narcissists staring into the water with lots of echoes who lost everything chanting TWAW.

But but but, if transwomen are women, why should there be any exemptions?

Yet you dislike it when people say the same things as you, more bluntly because they don't feel that social pressure, and they realise that social pressure is indeed part of the problem because its interfering with having a free and open conversation on this that focus on safeguarding rather than on the fragile identity of both militant TRAs and liberals desparate to prove their faith and belief in liberal morality.

YY

Also: women failing to display female socialisation when they speak is the most dangerous, shocking thing ever. What more proof that we live in a sexist patriarchy? Women must never speak plainly.

Fuck that, say I.

That's so funny. You can't even see that what you are saying is 'transphobic'. Its all about avoiding the label 'transphobic' isn't it? You feel over whelming pressure to 'be liberal' more importantly 'be seen and accepted as liberal'. Everything you say is about demonstrating that.

Yet you dislike it when people say the same things as you, more bluntly because they don't feel that social pressure, and they realise that social pressure is indeed part of the problem because its interfering with having a free and open conversation on this that focus on safeguarding rather than on the fragile identity of both militant TRAs and liberals desparate to prove their faith and belief in liberal morality.

The problem is you can not pussy foot around this.

You are subservient to the militant TRAs who are using your desire to 'do the right thing' against you. They do not offer the respect you offer them to women.

Wakey wakey.

Or Snappity who says single sex examptions should also exclude butch lesbians/ masculine looking women.

This is what ALL 'transphobes' want. Glad you finally agree with us.

I agree it’s broadly similar. So it’s interesting daim, that you tend to position yourself against gender critical feminists, whose views you broadly agree with, but haven’t (as far as I’m aware) argued against someone like Snappity/Gibberty, who calls a rape crisis centre is “odious” for refusing to employ a transwoman.

Why should trans women have the same rights as any other women when they already have the same rights as any other man, just for the asking?

I believe a trans woman should have the same rights as any other woman bar a few exceptions. What these exceptions should be is up for debate but my personal view is there should be a period of time before trans women should be able to apply to be on all women shortlists, sports is a tricky should be assessed on a case by case basis and a trans women should not have an unfair advantage. I believe it should continue to be lawful to exclude trans women from applying for certain job roles.

This is what ALL 'transphobes' want. Glad you finally agree with us.

Rabbits it's about equality in my opinion. As a gay person I believe I should have equal rights to any straight woman bar a few exceptions such as the ability to get married in a church. I accept I cannot demand full equality.

I believe a trans woman should have the same rights as any other woman bar a few exceptions. What these exceptions should be is up for debate but my personal view is there should be a period of time before trans women should be able to apply to be on all women shortlists, sports is a tricky should be assessed on a case by case basis and a trans women should not have an unfair advantage. I believe it should continue to be lawful to exclude trans women from applying for certain job roles.

Not false belief, false truth? Clumsy wording, you know what I mean.