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BertrandRussell · 12/07/2018 18:57

ans not be transphobic? Because I think transwomen are transwomen and deserve all the rights and protections of the law, and should to live their lives peacefully, unharnessed and using any names or pronouns they wish. But I don't think they are actually, literally women. Incidentally, neither does the only transperaon I know well enough who is old enough to ask. If thinking that makes me transphobic is she transphobic too?

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Magpiesarehuge · 12/07/2018 20:01

Don’t care if i get called transhopic (and i do get called it - along with some other words) just like I don’t care when my kids call me mean for removing their phones from their rooms at night or for not letting them eat chocolate all day.

ErrolTheDragon · 12/07/2018 19:59

Given that the genderists think they can refine words to mean whatever they want, and currently 'transphobic' seems to include lesbians saying No to males, then nope. Bert, her TW friend etc are all transphobic.

Perhaps a more interesting question might be, can anyone say 'transwomen are women' without being misogynistic? (Definition: dislike of, contempt for, or ingrained prejudice against women.). Because that phrase parroted as dogma seems to me to treat women with utter contempt.

theOtherPamAyres · 12/07/2018 19:29

At the moment, we can choose to be believers or not. When the government updates the Gender Recognition Act, we will have just have to accept it. People will change their birth certificates to show 'female' and it will become a fact.

it will be too late to register your doubt about the literal meaning of 'female'.

Having played a competitive sport against a tranwoman, and having watched a colleague climb the greasy pole of a male-dominated organisation only to declare that he's been a woman all along, I am in no doubt that an intact man with an attraction to women, is a man.

loveyouradvice · 12/07/2018 19:12

The jury is out on whether "transwomen are women" and I think the TRAs have very cleverly co-opted "Transphobia" as a poor-little-me-battle-cry whenever anything is said that they disagree with... What I hate is that so far it is working!

Mainstream media report Pride protest as anti-trans rather than Lesbian.... and do not even look at the reasons for it!

So although many transgender people would disagree with this, theirs are not the voices being heard

Elletorro · 12/07/2018 19:12

TW should be treated as their preferred gender except in prisons, medical research, statistical analysis, sports, overnight accommodation, occupations such as rape councillor, women’s refuges, AWS and single sex wards where maintaining sex segregation is proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

doesn’t have quite the same ring to it does it?

I probably deserve a good dose of social ostracism, a thumping some rape threats, to be told that I’m causing someone to consider self-harm and doxxing

As far as I can see transphobia is just a way of shutting us up

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