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Is it possible not to agree thatTWAW

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BertrandRussell · 12/07/2018 18:57

ans not be transphobic? Because I think transwomen are transwomen and deserve all the rights and protections of the law, and should to live their lives peacefully, unharnessed and using any names or pronouns they wish. But I don't think they are actually, literally women. Incidentally, neither does the only transperaon I know well enough who is old enough to ask. If thinking that makes me transphobic is she transphobic too?

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ADastardlyThing · 12/07/2018 20:48

How is that were than uplifting? It's not even close.

They are posing rather proudly for a start and don't appear to be totally oblivious the picture is being taken.

No. Not even in the same league as upskirting.

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:46

wtf is that photo a TW not looking very humiliated in a swimming costume in a swim change
?! Have you seriously taken a photo of a trans woman in a swimming costume? no

Is that not worse than upskirting?

Maybe but it looks like a pose so I don't think they mind. I've cut the face off on purpose.

daimbars · 12/07/2018 20:40

Pratchet wtf is that photo?! Have you seriously taken a photo of a trans woman in a swimming costume? Is that not worse than upskirting? Angry

busyboysmum · 12/07/2018 20:38

I think this will pass actually once the damaged people start coming forward and it becomes less attractive when people see the reality of the fact that actually nobody is attracted to trans people as sexuality is pretty much influenced by biology.

I just feel really sorry for all the people who will have had bits chopped off for no reason because they're just going to have to keep going with it.

LemonJello · 12/07/2018 20:33

Well according to Shon Faye, transwomen are shifting constellations of biological, political and cultural phenomena which varies according to context, place and time.

I think that’s quite pretty.

SunsetBeetch · 12/07/2018 20:30

I don't believe trans women are women. But I fully support "real" transexuals (i.e. not beardy blokes with penises who say they are women) and would have afforded them the courtesy of preferred pronouns if it wasn't for TRAs.

I think it's absolutely possible to not believe trans women are women without being "transphobic".

terryleather · 12/07/2018 20:29

I disagree that transwomen are women. I'm backed up by biology and reality.

I'm meh about that making me transphobic tbh as I think that word is utterly meaningless now given how it's flung about right left and centre at what seems like everyone/everything and is used constantly to quash dissent.

Under His Eye yet again...

ADastardlyThing · 12/07/2018 20:27

Isn't a phenomenon something that can't be explained?

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daimbars · 12/07/2018 20:19

I also don't know anyone whose life has been made easier by being transgender. The prejudice, fear, hormones, surgery and lack of acceptance in society. Nobody is going to to change gender for shits and giggles.

Much like I'm not ashamed to be gay but it's made my life difficult in a lot of ways. But I could not imagine living my life pretending to be straight.

If a person can accept the phenomenon of being transgender, in my mind it leads to accepting TWAW.

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:18

Waiting for the racist appropriation
Then intersex
We may have time for infertility before bed

Iamagreyhoundhearmeroar · 12/07/2018 20:18

Daimbars posts that on every thread even remotely related to trans issues.
And it’s still bollocks, dear. Probably literally, in your case.

ADastardlyThing · 12/07/2018 20:17

Women with male anatomy?

So transwomen then?

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:16

It's not like being gay. You have to INSTANTLY appropriate because TWAW doesn't make sense so you need to appropriate some other cause for sympathy.

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:15

I know! Everybody agrees. The only reason they have such power and such a voice is precisely because everyone knows they're men.

daimbars · 12/07/2018 20:15

boopsy

How do you know anything fundamental about yourself? I don't understand how it feels to be transgender but I believe people truly are - I don't think it's a disorder or influenced by surroundings, it's something a person is born with. Much like being gay.

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FemWomb · 12/07/2018 20:12

Being called names by someone in a position of power and influence or someone I know and respect, does sting. Being called names by people I perceive as being mentally ill, is like watching a toddler tantrum to me.

You can believe TWAW and say it, you can't force me to do either.

I have become OK with being called a transphobe by TRAs, their language is upside down and inside out to me (I don't believe biological males can become biological females), so I assume that they are actually calling me something nice.

EndoplasmicReticulum · 12/07/2018 20:12

From a biology point of view, I can't agree that TWAW.

Does that make me transphobic?

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Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:11

Daim that's rubbish and you know it.

Pratchet · 12/07/2018 20:11

I don't think it is tbh. We are supposed to submit completely. Thing is, they are hooked on this idea that if only we will agree, that validates them. But nothing validates them or ever will because it's not true. There'll be something else after self ID - they will go for the Equality Act exemptions, and that won't satisfy them either, because they'll still be men. They will always want more because what they want can never be possible.

daimbars · 12/07/2018 20:05

I think they are women born with male anatomy.