Is it possible not to agree thatTWAW

I think they are women born with male anatomy.

Otherwise known as men!

I don't believe in god.
I respect other people's beliefs.

The difference is that the law doesn't force anyone to go along with someone else's religion.

So why should trans be different?
Most of the world doesn't believe TWAW so why is that belief being forced from a tiny minority?

FemWomb I don't ask people change their beliefs. I appreciate that it out of my control.

I am challenging opinions and behaviours because this is a public message forum and that is what it is designed for.

Diam

How will you accept the situation knowing many people will never believe that TWAW?

Did you notice I haven't requested anyone else to to cease blasphemy?

Do you go on any other MN boards? If you have do you see Christians policing the language of others?

Why do you believe people with your philosophical belief have a right to behave differently to people with other philosophical beliefs?

BertrandRussell its came about from a good friend I had a school who was transgender. She told me she just always knew she was a girl inside a boy's body. It's hard to describe a person's essence - she wasn't particularly girly, liked climbing trees and football, but I just knew that she was a girl despite having male anatomy.

It was really clear to me that being transgender was an innate part of her that she had no control over and I haven't forgotten it.

daimbars Thu 12-Jul-18 20:21:17

Did you know that carrying this accusation from one thread to another over and over again is a violation of the talk guidelines?

Your beliefs that there are lady brains in men's bodies and lady penis on men's bodies is entirely your business. Badgering women to submit to your beliefs by calling non believers transphobic on this website is really quite inappropriate.

FemWomb personally if something is law I may not agree with it but I respect it - so as the current Gender Recognition Act recognises TWAW I respect that law.

It just so happens that law coincides with my own belief system.

I don't believe God would mind if gay people got married in a church but I respect the law and would not campaign for the Church of England to allow gay marriage in churches.

Waiting for the racist appropriation
Then intersex
We may have time for infertility before bed

Have we already had the "OMG, I can't stand the hatred and bigotry towards trans here on MN?"

It's not a real thread unless someone posts this at least once.

Diam where do you go from here then? You understand you can't make others believe what you do. How will you accept the situation knowing many people will never believe that TWAW?

You were always and still are free to blaspheme as much as you like. I was looking to see if you would stop if requested to, and I am now looking to see if you stick to your word in future.

Of course FemWomb - an awful lot of laws have been made on the basis of belief in God though.

I actually think belief in God and being transgender are quite similar - a certainty in something that can never be proven.

Diam You understand that you have a right to a philosophical belief as do others.

You believe in souls as do Christians.

Christians don't believe God made a mistake. Christians should love you, how they express that will be different from person to person. Christians believe that they should not lie. Do you understand that there is a clash here? You will never make every Christian believe what you do.

Atheists don't believe in souls. You have a clash here. You will never make an atheist believe what you do.

You, the Christian and the atheist all have a right to your belief, none of the above can force the other to believe what they don't.

In conclusion, Daim, I'd chill in the 'transphobia' and 'upskirting' claims against Pratchet

And looking through the following posts, your call on your Almighty to bring back Datun to save yourself from the 'appalling' transphobia - none of them are saying anything different, though some posters may either not be aware/not care about the cosh we're under about what we can and can't say here.

Most of us all here know basic biology. People can express whatever stereotypical gender they want to. People may feel uncomfortable in the sexed body they have.

Most other people have empathy for them when that becomes difficult to navigate in the current world. And most other people will find ways that help them to do so, without trampling on other people's rights and needs.

But whatever they do, whatever they say, sadly for them transwomen will only ever be transwomen.

Of course FemWomb I would never intentionally disrespect anyone. I have heard many posters on FWR blaspheme and I did not realise it was a touchy subject but absolutely no problem to stop if it offends you.

Daim whilst I can appreciate your concern that Pratchet may have gone on a swimming-pool hunt to take a 'humliating picture' of a transperson in their swimming costume. Somehow, given Pratchet's posting history, that's unlikely, but well done you on trying to witch-hunt and stir up questions about a regular poster.

In fact, I remember that picture very well. If we put it back in its context, Pratchet has been kind in not identifying the poster.

The photo was posted by a trans twitter account in direct conversation with #ManFriday's first activism swim - easily to interpret in the context of the time and the discussion as ''fuck you, here I am in 'women's' swimwear, what you going to do about it'.

Whilst I personally have no issue with males wanting to wear what's coded as 'women's' swimwear, the fact that the original poster of their own image posted directly linking to #ManFriday's action, it was easily interpreted as a challenge and access to female swimming and changing places by a male bodied person.

(And yes, unless that person is 'packing a silicone' that is definitely a male-bodied person in a swimsuit).

I am going to watch you then, now you say you will. I will see if you can manage to respect others in the same way you demand respect, it will be an interesting experiment.

All would be fine...

FemWomb no problem. But if it was only that simple everyone here would accept TWAW and it would all be fine.

All 82% of us have lost the plot.

No, 10% are loving the opportunity to bully women, 5% think they are being kind and 3% have lost the plot. The 82% are WTF?

Does it really matter what a TW is?

It’s more important what a TW does and does not do.

What rights a TW needs that a W does not. What responsibilities are put on a TW?

What rights a W needs that a TW does not. What responsibilities are put on a W?

Because really we are interested in social dynamics and class analysis.

TWAW is a fairly unedifying exercise in categories/ontology and a MASSIVE distraction

Ask yourself if there is any place left where women won't be masturbated at or on except at home? And sometimes not even there.

Mandating belief in a particular dogma is possibly the most self destructive thing a government can do. Will they enforce belief and punish non believers or let roving gangs with baseball bats terrorize women into compliance?
People who prefer the rules of misogyny to the rule of law need to get the eff out of government.

What, by saying that "some women are born with male genitals" is a load of bollocks? Transphobia is stating blindingly obvious scientific truth these days is it? Not surprising a lot of us think you're the one devaluing the term.

Head over to pistonheads, or reddit, or datalounge, or kiwifarms. There's genuine transphobia on there. Refusing to deny biology is not transphobia.

Daim

Can you please stop using a the name of someone, some people view as a God, as an expletive.

You want people to respect your philosophical belief, please respect others philosophical belief in return.