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Radical feminism - the coolest game in town. Always has been.

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Jeanhatchet · 12/07/2018 07:50

You know it. Stop messing about now with all the man inclusivity daftness. We haven't got much time.

Men have never given feminist women a damn thing. They just like the t shirts.

We have taken every right we have by campaigning and shouting and marching and lobbying and writing and petitioning and tweeting and posting and setting up services on just £1.65 and a can of pop in Susan's kitchen on a rainy Thursday. But with incredible strength and determination round those women's tables.

Some women have been fighting to halt the trans assault on women's rights for a very very long time. Years. I wanted to acknowledge those brave and bold women who began to openly tweet about this way way back years ago. When folk either ignored them or threatened them. This stuff isn't new.

However - to Mumsnet. You are important and you have raised awareness. You've stuck your necks out. You've begun to realise in bigger numbers that this stuff threatens the very foundations of why you're here. I thank you for that. And I've only been here 5 minutes. I still can't quote posts or work out what the hell is the point of AIBU.

But you've been so supportive. Thanks again.

Right. We haven't got much time. Women are fierce and we are determined but when faced with the massively funded and corporately organised resources of the trans dominated Stonewall and Pink News et al ..... in comparison we are still sat round Susan's kitchen with a can of pop and £1.65.

Do what you can as loudly as you can. Tell your friends. Tell your office. Tell the women at the school gates. At your yoga class. Tell the butcher and the post woman. Share stuff. Keep challenging the narrative. Keep defending our rights to spaces free of men. Back your lesbian sisters when they refuse to be erased. Donate cash to fund raisers. Sign petitions. Tell the men to step back because we are a bit busy to worry about their needs just now.

Be brave. Be certain. Women will help you and they will fight for you to still call
yourselves women and have space that belongs just to you.

Come in to Susan's kitchen. No men allowed.

Wink
OP posts:
Agerbilatemycardigan · 12/07/2018 20:13

I thought pansexual was something to do with flutes.

I blame it on too much mythology as a child.

Jeanhatchet · 12/07/2018 20:00

Ah .... you women are amazing. x

OP posts:
enoughisenough12 · 12/07/2018 18:01

Brilliant post from an outstanding woman.

Off to donate to the crowdfunder.

UnderHerEye · 12/07/2018 17:57

But when it's women, it feels as though something unique and quite powerful is happening

I think this sums up the problem beautifully, because when women talk and connect something unique and powerful does happen - we are connected because we are women, it is in our very biology, and that is why sex matters.

It took me a long time to realise why we need a feminist movement in GB in 2018, and I’m very grateful to all you women who have kept talking and kept explaining- you are doing amazing work!

HermioneWeasley · 12/07/2018 17:31

@JeanHatchet, I love your campaigning.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 12/07/2018 17:28

And we need a bigger vision than just the GRA - we need to evolve our systems of governance so they work for the majority - for us - so that they embody the wisdom we have and implement what's needed to create a level playing field of the sexes.

Datun · 12/07/2018 17:23

I was thinking about this yesterday.

How unique it is that so very many women can all communicate at the same time. Sharing experiences, stories, anecdotes, ideas, advice and support.

We recognise that social media has allowed people to find their 'tribe'. And sometimes that has been dangerous. A feeling of legitimising people who are, quite rightly, outliers in society.

But when it's women, it feels as though something unique and quite powerful is happening.

There are so many common points in the experiences of women that communicating them is quite genuinely empowering. A word, I know, that is often frowned upon, but this instance it feels appropriate.

Nothing like Mumsnet has ever been seen before.

The number of women who have said they hadn't considered themselves feminists, until they started reading on mumsnet is extraordinary.

And we are over half the population. All communicating. All supporting.

Thanks for this OP Jeanhatchet.

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 17:09

Susan has a nice kitchen, always smells of freshly baked bread and rebellion Smile

whitehandledkitchenknife · 12/07/2018 17:03

I have elderflower gin. And tales of the 1970s and 1980s to impart.

Crones get the pick of the best chairs don't they?

And the right to repeat often tales of much derring do Grin

ErrolTheDragon · 12/07/2018 16:54

Crones get the pick of the best chairs don't they?

BertrandRussell · 12/07/2018 16:38

I have elderflower gin. And tales of the 1970s and 1980s to impart.

BertrandRussell · 12/07/2018 16:37

Room at the table for a Crone?

PsychoLibrarian · 12/07/2018 16:33

Aaargh! Bloody autocucumber. I do not bring 'him', I bring GIN.

PsychoLibrarian · 12/07/2018 16:32

I saw myself as a bit of a crap feminist, certainly not a radical one. Then the world went batshit crazy and all of a sudden I found myself in the radical camp, and a full-blown revolting woman. I don't just roar, I bite, but if you let me in the kitchen I bring him.

FloralBunting · 12/07/2018 15:14

GrinGrin

I confess I did find Mr Tumnus a bit foxy in the recent Narnia movies. And then had an existential moment of angst about genitalia. Which would no doubt have impressed Riley Dennis.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/07/2018 14:27

Gosh, Beyond that's a really important point!

wish I'd thought of that

This completely negates bisexuality. Though, I'll confess to being a bit confused by pan-sexual still. My daughter's friend describes herself as "pan" - makes me think of someone who finds Mr Tumnus particularly alluring.

DieAntword · 12/07/2018 14:19

I don't care about being cool but I guess that's why I'm not a feminist of any description.

WhereDoWeBeginToCovetClarice · 12/07/2018 14:17

You are so right OP

Radfems are the most rock n roll, the most punk in town!

I can't help thinking about how we'll look back on this in years to come.

The attitude

The disobedience

I love the fact that young middle age - to elderly women are the most defiant, punk rock demographic of all.

All the obedient, compliant youngsters need to watch and fucking learn!

Lurkacus · 12/07/2018 12:08

I hadn't seen the donation page before. Done. Thank you for sharing

boatyardblues · 12/07/2018 12:07

I donated direct to FPFW via their paypal because it was more effective (less creamed off for fees).

Stilettosandan0venglove · 12/07/2018 11:37

I have donated again to FPFW. 3 days left for the crowd funder, and it's having a surge of donations.

www.crowdfunder.co.uk/the-campaign-to-save-sex-based-rights

Dragoncake · 12/07/2018 11:30

Thanks Jean. Your rep's talk at the Let a Woman Speak event is one of the few that I feel able to share with anyone, wherever they stand on this issue.

Anyone who watches it and calls us bigots afterwards has a heart of stone.

BeyondRadicalisationPortal · 12/07/2018 10:57

"I've been reading about Pride and I don't understand. When did it become an issue for a lesbian to be defined as a "adult homosexual woman"? What is a lesbian now?"

I'd probably add to that "surely anyone who wants to have sex with both people with penises and people with vulvas is bisexual (or pan...)? They should be proud of that, bisexual erasure is a bad thing"
Wink

Freespeecher · 12/07/2018 10:20

If I agree to stay out of the kitchen can I have a can of Pop too?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 12/07/2018 10:03

oops. typo - meant "doesn't support" everyone equally.

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