Repeat after us: TWAW

Good for @JustAngryBird.

Good thread. The poster fully understands the power dynamics at play.

Who exactly is the 'us'?

Not all TW

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Erasure of women is achieved how exactly?

Why does feminism exist again?

It's fascinating to see JUST how invisible women are to other women.

It's almost as if they are blind. They only see people who are loud and shout and don't like loud shout ones who point out those who are invisible.

It's almost as if they don't want to see abuse and suffering. They are happy to turn away from it, if it's not some who has 'more important' status in society.

It's almost as if there were a desire for these invisible women to totally disappear as a drain on society.

Amazing isn't it?

Yes, that is an interesting point. But it is always hard to tell the difference between legit 'trans activism' and 'trans parody'. That's the bit I struggle with.

Yes, as I said earlier the thing that makes me pause is that it's similar to an Orwell quote. Especially the reference to "us". Someone in charge. But TRAs think it's great. So maybe they're just spectacularly unselfaware how it comes across. Like all those idiots bleating at Graham Linehan.

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I was listening to people moan about how the BBC's 12 top paid employees were men the other day and wondered whether it is also seen as unfair that most successful sprinters are black? Or is it about being the best at what you do and then pay reflecting that?

Do you think that men inherently. make better TV presenters than women? You don't think there are any other factors at play there? None at all?

Has anyone claimed responsibility for the projection on NotSheffieldTownHall?

We are defining all buildings now by whether they are Sheffield town hall or not. I decided unilaterally.

Stunts that are successful usually get claimed fairly sharpish. Are we to conclude this is a protest, or just a colossal own goal?

Well, it was Nick Grimshaw (I think) who I first heard mention it.

@flutter

I was listening to people moan about how the BBC's 12 top paid employees were men the other day*

People? I suppose you meant women but then changed it to people? Because, let's face it, it's women who have been most vocal on this issue.

Well sirs, I don't live in London and didn't hear or see anything of your lovely little light shows! No, no Ape Women, no men women, nothing! You did not address the little known backwater of NotLondon at all!

You very kindly illustrated, no, illuminated, your irrelevance!

Picking the night of the footie was a bit of an own goal. Not to mention the visit of a certain US President. Even the daily update of chez Beckham and Love Island seems to have been downgraded in the Daily Mail

Oh! #Address the Nation

Well sirs, I don't live in London and didn't hear or see anything of your lovely little light shows! No, no Ape Women, no men women, nothing! You did not address the little known backwater of NotLondon at all!

You very kindly illustrated, no, illuminated, your irrelevance!

• yes, I know, many pages have passed but I was working last night

Just poking 'em a bit, prawn. Like a piñata.

But you're quite right of course.
And anyway, job done, given what just fell out...

Please don't feed the troll.

Datun.

So feminists aren't continually talking about men and male this, male that?

I was listening to people moan about how the BBC's 12 top paid employees were men the other day and wondered whether it is also seen as unfair that most successful sprinters are black? Or is it about being the best at what you do and then pay reflecting that?

Funnily enough, none of the decent men I know are remotely bothered by women pointing out facts about male violence.

I just don't think it's a helpful thing to effectively demonise men as a group

Yeah. Feminism is about women. The dead ones, the abused ones, the disadvantaged ones.

Women.

You keep talking about men for some reason.

Demonising men, 0.01% of men, male suicide, privileged white men, violent men, men's violent crime.

Wanting to shut down a movement for women, because you're worried that it automatically makes men look bad, immediately justifies it's existence in the first place.

Seriously, who are the illogical ones here!

Men are men and women are women. Anything else is spin and lies. Sex change in humans is not factually or scientifically or possible.

Women are women and men are men.

I suggest that men expand the bandwidth of men to include men who prefer traditionally stereotypical female burdens and conventional stereotypes, such as dress, shoes, make-up and hair etc.

So long as they realise that Woman does not solely equate to dress, shoes, make-up and hair etc.

IIRC that is called Poe's Law.

Wow, it's not hard to spot when a troll completely and utterly derails a thread, is it? At least our resident Genderist Faithful manage to vaguely stay on topic, even if it is all a bit 1984. (Finally had time to read this entire thread).

So in a shameless attempt at re-railing...

It's Social Commentary

that's interesting
in which case the artist may well be making a different comment to what we're been inferring here.

Yes, that is an interesting point. But it is always hard to tell the difference between legit 'trans activism' and 'trans parody'. That's the bit I struggle with.

Apologies for my earlier rant. I was so bloody mad that London Pride were "clamping down" [on lesbians protesting about their erasure]. This is what we are up against, a male-dominated organisation riding roughshod over women who stand up for their rights. As lesbians. To exclude penis or ladycock from the definition of lesbian.

But then I got to read such pearls of wisdom such as:
Lasagne has to be understood in context.

Which lightened my mood, a lot. It's a keeper!

I guess if flutterby thinks that sort of percentage of a class is statistically insignificant and not worth discussing then TW are irrelevant?

Well this is a successful derailment, isn't it?

We all know that to flutterby and her ilk women aren't important (unless they have penises of course). Who cares if a few get killed; it's no loss.

Now, back to the important business of discussing how important men are, and how we can centre them in all topics.