Repeat after us: TWAW

"Snappity* "I have listened but like the majority of people don't agree with you."

Please can you explain to all of us then how a human can change sex, with specific reference to how a male can become female? Thank you.

The thing is that we have to say "transwomen aren't women" snappily because if we don't we've lost the battle against self-ID already, and the attempt to keep the two distinct and women's rights separate. Don't you see that? There's no "ah ha!" moment here. There's no sneakiness going on.

We've been really clear that the moment you say "transwomen are women", women lose every logical right they have in the law and society.

We wouldn't have ever had to go beyond social kindness if some arseholes hadn't forced themselves into things which were meant to help women, not men.

Thanks jacky

Pink News says this
The Illuminator is an activist group known for projecting messages onto public buildings
and they've previously done Trump etc

Did anybody notice (and I admit to skipping the last two thirds of this thread to post, I will go back) that the, 'transmen are men' sign seems to be less... Idk neat and tidy? Like somebody thought 'fuck, quick, we forgot the transblokes and it makes us look bad!'

Yes.

Something to read with your breakfast coffee or tea:

www.openculture.com/2017/01/hannah-arendt-explains-how-propaganda-uses-lies-to-erode-all-truth-morality.html

bananas

Anyway, back to the thread

Are we absolutely certain that the people doing the projections are TRAs? My first thought was that it was a reaction to the pride protests, but that they were highlighting the way TRAs police language and try and change language?

Indeed Pratchet.

Some bulls ARE cows.
Some roosters ARE chickens.
Some rams ARE ewes.

My farm is doing splendidly

I am a woman. Why are you using the word 'bitches' in a post towards me and my sisters?

You think it's acceptable to come in a feminist board and use the word 'bitches' because you were brought up in a farm? I don't even know any men in RL who would say or write the word 'bitches' about women (including a farming family). And, being farmers, they would be dumbfounded that people actually believe that sex is not based on reproductive role.

*Intersex people have asked transactivists to stop appropriating their medical conditions. Please do so. "

I am intersex. Why are you trying to silence me?

Pratchet
Sex is based in reproductive role, binary and immutable

Snappity
I won't report it but it is transphobic

You won't report the truth for being transphobic? Mkay.

Intersex people have asked transactivists to stop appropriating their medical conditions. Please do so. Reproductive role is not the same as reproductive ability. Pointing out that sex is based on reproductive role is not making any judgement about infertile people.

Maybe that was the point of using the word bitches. I can think of no other reason for coming on to a feminist board and using the word 'bitches'. We see you, and if I'm banned, two more people will take my place.

I was brought up in a farming community where every second word was a swear word. And you don't complain about the horrible and transphobic materials quoted and linked daily on MumsNet. Why is that?

I'm sure there are little thrills of excitement at getting a feminist to post something to complain about. Maybe that was the point of using the word bitches. I can think of no other reason for coming on to a feminist board and using the word 'bitches'. We see you, and if I'm banned, two more people will take my place.

Sex is based in reproductive role, binary and immutable. Lurking TRA, you have your screenshot to send off to MNHQ - no doubt you'll leave out the post calling us 'bitches'.

Lasagne s/b language

No, you haven't listened, and it shows in every word. Your posts had no sympathy or empathy to start with, but no they're just gloating and hostile

And why do you not say that to all the posters who deny that trans women are women, even those with female birth certificates, and all those who avoid using female pronouns? That's hostile and lacking in empathy but you don't call that out do you? Why?

And there you go again giving the game away

And for the record, and because you seem to be able to tell an absolute lie with impunity on here, while calling women 'bitches'

Lasagne has to be understood in context. Silvia Rivera wasn't from a posh background. To expect her to have used refined language is a very classist attitude from you. And to suggest her voice should be silenced and not quoted is even more classist.

No, you haven't listened, and it shows in every word. Your posts had no sympathy or empathy to start with, but no they're just gloating and hostile.

No one can change sex - that belief defies biology and fact.

Believe it if you will but you can't force others to share your belief.

You have not listened to a single word we've said. Not a single word.

I have listened but like the majority of people don't agree with you.

And what is so frightening that some women are... women? Because that's all these signs are saying. It's just the same as "some people are gay, get over it". Exactly. Some women - trans women - are women.

And for the record, and because you seem to be able to tell an absolute lie with impunity on here, while calling women 'bitches'

Trans'women' are men.

Two statements. One a lie. One is the truth. I know which one you want deleted. I have a fair idea of which one will actually be deleted. And this would be proof of absolute discrimination against and hostility towards women.

Whaaaat? Snappity, some things give the game away about the sense of being part of a community of women. The knee jerk reaction to this is one of them. Your knee jerk reaction is so far removed from any tiny, distant understanding of how frightening this is, and how we are finding our feet in dealing with it, gives the game away, if we didn't already know, that your heart towards women is cold and that womanhood is just a resource for you to squeeze dry. All the time you've spent here and that's what you take away? You have not listened to a single word we've said. Not a single word.