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Look what happened when Alison Moyet refused to be called a cis woman **title amended at request of OP**

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LaSqrrl · 11/07/2018 09:48

"You can identify as anything you want these days, except as a woman. Consider what happened to British singer Alison Moyet. Last week, on Twitter, she said she didn’t want to be known as a cs-woman, just as a woman. ‘I defend everyone’s right to have the pronoun that they choose and will honour it’, she diplomatically said. And ‘I do not choose Cs for mine’, she continued. ‘It took women like me long enough to own the title “woman” in the first place. It’s a long enough word for me.’ The response to this calm, clear, polite act of self-definition? Fury. And insult. And abuse. On such a voluble level that Moyet eventually recanted her linguistic heresy, deleted her tweet, and left Twitter."
Read rest of the article here.

Moyet's response to being 'forcibly assigned' the c*s label was quite polite and restrained (far more so than I can ever muster). Yet she was relentlessly told by the twitterverse to 'stfu woman' with a pile of 'hate tweets' - that she should accept it, like it or not.

Moyet has several follow up tweets, including this one where she says:
"I will name you as you identify. Must you afford me less?"

Apparently the answer is "no". And more reasons to stfu and accept it. Hmm

'Woman' is not terra nullius, we are 52%. We will not be hoodwinked into giving up our names, only for males to claim them (that is what the c-prefix is all about). Our answer is "no" and is not the start of a 'negotiation'.

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LangCleg · 16/07/2018 13:46

Where's Littlebrowndog when you need her?

Short and sweet. That's how I like it.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 16/07/2018 13:45

garden

and I dont need to get used to your 'rules' either

They arent FWR rules, they are MNHQ

But obviously its completely up to you what you post Smile

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 13:34

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Baroquehavoc · 16/07/2018 13:02

The only time I see men embrace 'cis' is when they used it as a way of telling women they are wrong.

As in, 'as a white straight cis man, I'm total supportive of tranwomen using women's bathrooms'

I've never seen it used as an example of how they have more advantages than transmen, women or other males.

Baroquehavoc · 16/07/2018 12:55

GardenGeek. Why are you trying to derail a thread about women, particularly Alison moyet, being forced to call themselves cis, and make it all about you?

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 12:37

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TweetleBeetlesBattle · 16/07/2018 12:28

Thanks for highlighting the article. I'm horrified there seems no way to stop this nonsense. I too am a woman, and see no reason to be redefined.

LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 11:47

Doesn't know the rules, knows the rules, doesn't need to know the rules, knows the rules.
OK then!

You sound rather young and arrogant GG. Just saying.

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 05:23

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thebewilderness · 16/07/2018 05:16

Already don, thanks.

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 05:13

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thebewilderness · 16/07/2018 04:56

I told you yesterday or the day before that the terms you were using were banned and so did a few others. I and even went so far as to quote you the passage in the guidelines. You responded with a biscuit.
I simply returned the compliment when I read the lie you posted on this thread.
When people come over here from AIBU we usually try to help them get used to the different rules here. Several people have tried to help you, only to be dismissed or laughed off. Obviously you are feeling picked on so I will not trouble you further.

InionEile · 16/07/2018 04:54

The 'cis' thing is supposed to refer to anyone who identifies as the gender that they were 'assigned at birth' (to use the lamentable terminology the transactivists use), yet does anyone else notice that they hardly ever hear the word 'cis-man'? It's almost entirely women who are being bullied into terming ourselves 'cis-women'. Also, the harshest most shrill hatred is always directed at women and comes from transwomen and their allies. Transmen keep a remarkably low profile by comparison.

This basic reality of transactivism today is what alerted me to the awareness that, as O'Neill says in the article above, transactivism is nothing more than misogyny in drag.

I love Graham Linehan for the stand he is taking these days on trans issues. The level of bullying and hatred and even just plain old virtue signaling fired his way has been phenomenal but he is standing firm. I wish there were more sensible, brave public figures like himself and Alison Moyet.

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 04:41

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LaSquirrel · 16/07/2018 04:10

Slagging off our International Treasure will not win you any friends in these parts. Just sayin'.

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 02:14

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thebewilderness · 16/07/2018 02:06

I didnt know it was a banned word haha, I have said it loads!
Biscuit

GardenGeek · 16/07/2018 01:00

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 16/07/2018 00:56

I observe what's missed often is that CIS is not a benign word but is verbal abuse. VA is where one person tells another what they think and feel - that they know better what is right for the target 🎯 person- it's a central facet of coercive control.

So each time someone or all are labelled CIS it's a putdown of huge harmful proportions- a dismissal of women as individuals and peers reducing them to objects of derision and labels of someone's else's choice- like calling a black person "native" or some such derogatory term, designed to shame the person to silence and keep them in their place.

So I'm very pleased @MNHQ banned it - is it banned everywhere or just on FWR?

Arkengarthdale · 16/07/2018 00:24

And bollocks to that. Girl bollocks, obvs 😂

BlackForestCake · 15/07/2018 23:29

The important thing here is that Alison Moyet is "inclusive" and believes or pretends to believe that trans women are actually women. But that isn't enough. Only complete, unquestioning subservience will do.

Arkengarthdale · 15/07/2018 23:11

Just got round to reading this thread and have to say there is so much in it it I just love. Misogyny In Drag (we may have a useful new acronym). Alison Moyet. Morningsaide. Excellent stuff 😁

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 11/07/2018 23:08

What a woman! Funny how women don’t get to identify as women, but men do.

I’ve experienced similar (although not being famous not to quite this extent), people trying to force cis upon me when I tell them I am not. It’s ridiculous

AnotherQuoll · 11/07/2018 22:58

That was meant to be: ...no hope of them ever leaving you alone.