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Trans teaching assistant

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SentimentalGift · 10/07/2018 17:16

Williams had been employed 10 years and was initially approached by two female administrators about the images in April 2016.

Mr Phillips said: 'Staff members were saying 'I don't think this is proper, it's disgusting, it makes my stomach turn'.'

'In North Wales, while working as a teaching assistant, female colleagues made complaints to management, forbidding me from using female toilets and changing rooms.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5938547/Transgender-teaching-assistant-faces-thrown-profession-porn-accusation.html

Why would women object to sharing spaces with this person?

Dr Williams, also known as Jane, accused colleagues at the school of discriminating against her.

She also said she was subject to prejudice because she was transgender.

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Helen276 · 12/07/2018 15:39

Those who have been awarded a PhD I would imagine!

PersonWithAVulva · 11/07/2018 12:32

Poor transwoman gets fired for doing what a biological female would've been fired for in the same circumstances. Transwoman want to be treated like biological women? Well there you go snowflake - that's what it's like. You behave inappropriately and this is what happens.

Quite. I agree the trans part in this instance is irrelevant. TA behaved inappropriately and was disciplined for it. Surely we are not supposed to ignore all bad behaviour as the person is trans? That can.t be right..hmm Hmm

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 11/07/2018 10:24

Well and also our standards of behaviour for people working with children in schools is higher than 'is it legal?'.

It's legal to live with a sex offender but you'd be barred from working in a school.

Obviously you can't work with children if you've done commercially available porn! And the same standards are enforced for men.

haXXor · 11/07/2018 08:24

She didn't upload the photos, and presumably didn't ask for them to appear,

She posed for them to go into a top-shelf magazine, which means that they became publically available, that's kind of what publication means. Anyone with a scanner could upload them after that. As for the indecent video, was she working as a "camgirl" or making a video for a lover? The remote viewer in a cam session could screen capture the video easily with VLC or similar. This is one of those times where in principle a woman should be able to share private nudes and trust the recipient, but in practise she can't. Or she could just be lying about not owning the account, she wouldn't be the first to lie about owning a twitter account to save her own skin.

What PP said: welcome to womanhood, where sexual agency (known to less-tolerant people as "sluttiness") will get you fired from certain jobs. This is unrelated to being trans.

As an aside, this is one of my huge worries about normalisation of "sex work" by NUS and others: a student pays her way through uni by being a "camgirl" but someone capturing the footage could destroy her career years later. And capturing a video of a computer screen is easy, I've done it to make how-to videos.

BettyFloop · 11/07/2018 00:56

I used to work with a trans woman who’s a “single Mum” and likes to empathise with all the single mums in local parenting groups, about how hard it is being a mum and dealing with the shit work... except they have never lived with the child or had contact with them until they were an adult. It’s not surprising that this upsets people but everyone clearly feels they have to support the statements.

Well.....this.
Let's all "support the statements"...Poor transwoman gets fired for doing what a biological female would've been fired for in the same circumstances. Transwoman want to be treated like biological women? Well there you go snowflake - that's what it's like. You behave inappropriately and this is what happens.

TiredPony · 11/07/2018 00:41

The Metro article

scotsheather · 10/07/2018 22:11

Why does everything have to be somehow transgender issues? Can't we go back to describing people for what they are? Its a TA who broke their code of conduct, gender means heehaw to this.

Caribou58 · 10/07/2018 21:17

Sacked for inappropriate behaviour. Nothing to see here.

WhereYouLeftIt · 10/07/2018 21:08

The only point at which being trans had anything to do with anything was why she says she did the pics in the first place, which sounds like it was for validation, to me.

"She said she had been 'celebrating my femininity' and declared: 'As a feminist woman I am deeply opposed to pornography. Erotic imagery celebrates the beauty of the human body. I posed for erotic and not explicit images.'"

"Celebrating her femininity", a.k.a. validation. Which I find rather sad.

But, trans or natal, a TA is going to be fired/allowed to resign for porn pictures being out there. As QueenNovo said earlier, the TA governing body crack down on this stuff.

Mossandclover · 10/07/2018 20:37

Foi requests do not deal with information on an individual level.

AncientLights · 10/07/2018 19:56

Errol, yes it is possible. Just seems strange. But then the whole thing isn't exactly run-of-the-mill.

BettyDuMonde · 10/07/2018 19:55

That’s the problem with doing sexy pictures - they come back to haunt you later :/

It’s the same for women/men/trans/non trans though. Sexy pics in the public sphere make for work disciplinaries for all.

Hopefully a new job has been found, one that isn’t threatened by such images.

Dommina · 10/07/2018 19:48

I feel for her. She's had a horrid experience of harassment. She didn't upload the photos, and presumably didn't ask for them to appear, might be linked to the harassment? I understand why the disciplinary happened though. Sticky situation.

BettyDuMonde · 10/07/2018 19:33

A secretary at a school my sister used to teach at was let go/allowed to resign in similar circumstances.

If the abusive language on the locker etc is true that should really be a seperate police matter? It’s unacceptable anyway.

The rest is all just safeguarding/normal for people around children though, no?

Hoppinggreen · 10/07/2018 18:55

Trans phobia is unacceptable
So is posing for pornographic pictures while working in a school

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2018 18:55

There was a well publicised case of a professor jumping before he was pushed resigning after someone noticed him in porn films. Straight white male afaik.

Imchlibob · 10/07/2018 18:53

No excuse for the violence and abuse this person has suffered - that is absolutely unacceptable but is unrelated to the disciplinary.

The employment disciplinary is due to having chosen to appear in explicit pornographic images whilst being employed as a Teaching Assistant which shows a startlingly poor judgement and lack of understanding of boundaries. That is not discrimination, I would expect the same outcome whatever the shape of genitals and style of dress/pronoun preference pertaining to the person in question.

AngryAttackKittens · 10/07/2018 18:53

Like Jumblie said, pretty sure this is nothing to do with transphobia and a female staff member would also have been let go in the same circumstances.

ErrolTheDragon · 10/07/2018 18:43

How many teaching assistants are entitled to style themselves 'doctor '? Seems odd.

It's entirely possible this person has a properly earned PhD.

I would hope the van driver was caught and prosecuted, that sort of behaviour- very likely transphobic/homophobic- is completely unacceptable but it's irrelevant to the fitness to practice. Two wrongs don't make a right.

EmptyOrchestra · 10/07/2018 18:34

I used to work with a trans woman who’s a “single Mum” and likes to empathise with all the single mums in local parenting groups, about how hard it is being a mum and dealing with the shit work... except they have never lived with the child or had contact with them until they were an adult. It’s not surprising that this upsets people but everyone clearly feels they have to support the statements.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:26

It's quite possible that Williams has experienced street harassment. Disgraceful, of course.

Yes, and they should do what women are told to do, which is to report it.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:26

Having seen some of the 'arty poses' on twitter by those of the trans persuasion, I have to say if I'd seen my teacher naked at that angle, I'd be hard pushed to take them altogether seriously going forward.

Dragoncake · 10/07/2018 18:11

It's quite possible that Williams has experienced street harassment. Disgraceful, of course.

It's impossible to say whether the 'man dressed as a woman' comment was the nurse's description of a child's carer who sparked safeguarding concerns (acceptable). Or whether Williams' dress sense was the concern (unacceptable).

AncientLights · 10/07/2018 18:04

How many teaching assistants are entitled to style themselves 'doctor '? Seems odd.

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 10/07/2018 18:04

Even if they did model for porn - they told their colleagues?

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