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India Willoughby has had facial feminisation surgery

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gendercritter · 10/07/2018 14:46

Apparently in response to online trolls.

And do you know what, for the first time I feel sad for India. It looks like brutal surgery. India said India had it done to be accepted as a female but that is never truly going to happen, if people are being honest.

The thing that struck me in CBB when India was jabbing India's finger at the woman present and yelling 'I am a woman' was how male India looked. There was a shot taken from behind and I read what I saw as a man with a ponytail. There was absolutely no getting away from the fact you were seeing a male physique.

I am still capable of feeling lots of other things for this individual alongside sadness but I do hate to think of people being so ill at ease with themselves.

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/07/2018 08:49

snappity is weaponising the reports system

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 11/07/2018 08:40

It's very early in the morning and snappity might not have had a coffee yet...

Poor thing. Here you go Snappity. Brew

I think it's pretty clear that India doesn't want women just calling India a woman out of politeness or kindness. India wants us to actually change our beliefs & doesn't understand that facial surgery won't make that happen. It's very sad.

R0wantrees · 11/07/2018 08:37

India is female as you know. Misgendering her is entirely inappropriate. On this occasion I have not reported your post but deliberate misgendering is transphobic so someone else might.

Snappity do you ever reflect on your posts?

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/07/2018 08:33

spofs

Nah

I reckon it was the 'him' referring to Indias son Grin

Its very early in the morning and snappity might not have had a coffee yet...

SPOFS · 11/07/2018 08:29

I suspect Snappity is simply trying to threaten me into using she/her instead of they/them. I will be banned before I do that.

However, Snappity, even if I did call IW she/her, I still wouldn't believe it. I would only be doing it out of politeness, not belief. I do use she/her with trans women as a sign of respect; however, IW clearly does not respect women, so I do not respect them.

HTH Smile

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/07/2018 08:22

Next not nest!

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/07/2018 08:21

Hang on snappity I thought female was the biological term, I know the 'acceptable' mantra is TWAW but I didn't think it was TWAF

Its the nest step...

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 11/07/2018 08:17

No misgendering there that i can see...

Just threats

Which is nice...

SuburbanRhonda · 11/07/2018 08:10

snappity

But why haven’t you reported the post if you’re so certain it breaks talk guidelines? Why leave it to someone else?

SpareRibFem · 11/07/2018 07:51

Hang on snappity I thought female was the biological term, I know the 'acceptable' mantra is TWAW but I didn't think it was TWAF

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 11/07/2018 07:18

Morning SPOFS, how are you? I'm expecting my Sportacus running top in the post today Grin

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 11/07/2018 07:16

Here you go Snappity, fixed mine for you.

Yes. People can't change what they know. I actually feel pity for India now because I don't think India's ever going to get what India ultimately wants - people's belief that India's genuinely female. Miranda's view is far healthier.

SPOFS · 11/07/2018 07:15

@Snappity

I did not misgender India? I use they/them throughout my post to refer to India and he/him to refer to India's son. I think you need to re-read my post.

Also, threatening people is not a good look! Smile

Snappity · 11/07/2018 07:09

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EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 11/07/2018 07:05

I feel like this has mostly been done for validation which will never be forthcoming - like I said, that is very sad.

Yes. People can't change what they know. I actually feel pity for India now because I don't think they're ever going to get what they ultimately want - people's belief that they're genuinely female. Miranda's view is far healthier.

SpareRibFem · 11/07/2018 06:57

Bespin 'I didn't do this to be someone else'

I love that sentiment, and I agree it seems the view of what constitutes female beauty has narrowed in the west, its broadened slightly to include some of views of PoC beauty but only where that conforms to a 'white' standard.

I've strong facial features and sometimes get misgendered. I like how I look.

BettyFloop · 11/07/2018 01:57

I remember India shouting at Amanda Barrie ................was bloody awful behaviour.

Yes... "I AM A REAL WOMAN!" finger jabbing, shouting, (threatening) male behaviour. Very awful.

And yet everyone viewing knew India had transed from Jonathan and wasn't a "real woman" at all. No-one believed it then and no-one believes it now. Men know. Women know.

Why are we all expected to walk on eggshells around this? IW is instantly recognisable as IW even/despite the FFS....

BettyFloop · 11/07/2018 01:47

Oooooooh! Am I eligible for trans-age do you think?

HelenaDove · 11/07/2018 01:46

We are in July ...............you mean.

I remember India shouting at Amanda Barrie ................was bloody awful behaviour.

Yambabe · 11/07/2018 01:17

PS I just had a quick google to see if I could find a clip of IW on CDWM and discovered IW is also trans-age!

All the local papers reporting the CDWM said IW was 51 in Jan 2017. Yet here we are in June 2018 and all the papers reporting on the surgery state IW is still 51.

Ooops!

GardenGeek · 11/07/2018 01:15

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terryleather · 11/07/2018 00:06

Thank you Grin

Yambabe · 10/07/2018 23:50

This is the main (wo)man......

India Willoughby has had facial feminisation surgery
Yambabe · 10/07/2018 23:24

I don't want to out DB lol! Lets see if I can find a picture.......