Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

India Willoughby has had facial feminisation surgery

163 replies

gendercritter · 10/07/2018 14:46

Apparently in response to online trolls.

And do you know what, for the first time I feel sad for India. It looks like brutal surgery. India said India had it done to be accepted as a female but that is never truly going to happen, if people are being honest.

The thing that struck me in CBB when India was jabbing India's finger at the woman present and yelling 'I am a woman' was how male India looked. There was a shot taken from behind and I read what I saw as a man with a ponytail. There was absolutely no getting away from the fact you were seeing a male physique.

I am still capable of feeling lots of other things for this individual alongside sadness but I do hate to think of people being so ill at ease with themselves.

OP posts:
New posts on this thread. Refresh page
FloralBunting · 12/07/2018 16:13

India's voice always puts me in mind of Neil Tennant from the Pet Shop Boys.

This is related to nothing at all.

Singlenotsingle · 12/07/2018 16:09

Saw a snippet of the interview. The voice is still a male voice as well

OlennasWimple · 12/07/2018 16:04

Seahorses are horses
Sealions are lions
Transplants are plants
Butterflies are flies
Honeymoons are moons
Buttercups are cups
Butterscotch is scotch

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 12/07/2018 14:20

Sandwiches are witches

(OK it's a bit of a stretch...)

LangCleg · 12/07/2018 14:03

Clothes horses are zebras.

(Because if you hear hooves...)

starcrossedseahorse · 12/07/2018 13:28

Seahorses are horses Wink

AnonFem · 12/07/2018 13:03

Seahorses are horses

TerfsUp · 12/07/2018 12:13

Nothing will fix the hairline.

Looking at the Male pictures it's very much the same person, but with long hair.

Jane Fae has the same hair / hairline problem.

starcrossedseahorse · 12/07/2018 10:57

This reply has been deleted

Message deleted by MNHQ. Here's a link to our Talk Guidelines.

MrsJayy · 12/07/2018 10:52

Kellie Malonie did exactly the same after big brother wenton this morning to say similar I am paraphrasing because I can't find a link.sayingthat Kellie Maloney was far more aggressive on big brother

LizzieSiddal · 12/07/2018 10:45

I didn’t like India from watching B.B. However I felt sorry for them watching that TV interview. They need help, not plastic surgery.

I do think they look different and more “feminine” with this surgery but whether that will satisfy them, who knows.

thebewilderness · 12/07/2018 02:34

I think it is common for celebrities to have that sort of surgical work done at that age, isn't it? If they want to continue to work in front of the camera?
What I have always wondered about is the weird reasons they give when they do admit to getting surgical enhancements. Why make shit up when everyone knows that the persona is the job? Oh, well.. I guess that is the answer.

Beansonapost · 12/07/2018 02:17

Nothing will fix the hairline.

Looking at the Male pictures it's very much the same person, but with long hair.

How much can you hate your body to put yourself through all this just to try and convince yourself you are what you claim to be.

It must be very hard looking in a mirror.

HelenaDove · 12/07/2018 01:08

BettyduMonde just adding Julianne Moore to your list.

user838383 · 11/07/2018 20:19

This reply has been deleted

Message withdrawn at poster's request.

Jaxtellerswife · 11/07/2018 20:17

@SpareRibFem very true

MrsJayy · 11/07/2018 19:37

But India has no fellow-feeling for women

Totally this infact I would go as far to say IW refuses to intergrate with women because this would make India ordinary and IW couldn't cope with being an ordinary every day woman.

PersonWithAVulva · 11/07/2018 19:20

All I remember of that interview was India feeling sorry for men as the website made men look bad.

Yes, India does actually look more feminine, usually those surgeries don't seem to make a diference, but I can see a definite difference with them. If the masculine behaviours such as screaming and towering over a bunch of women shouting that you are a real woman doent stop though, then I am afraid how you look won't really make that much difference.

AssassinatedBeauty · 11/07/2018 18:50

I wonder how much work India would get if India consistently didn't mention or refer to being trans?

EmpressWeaponisedClitoris · 11/07/2018 18:47

I think India looks more like a woman and that will make India feel better.

And yet India's USP is being trans.

Italiangreyhound · 11/07/2018 18:12

R0wantrees Yes I saw the interview with India interjecting how sorry India felt about the guys getting a bad press! Truly disgusting.

TransplantsArePlants · 11/07/2018 17:58

I think India looks more like a woman and that will make India feel better. For that, I am glad - I wouldn't wish India to feel any more turmoil that India already does.

But India has no fellow-feeling for women.

R0wantrees · 11/07/2018 17:52

(Good Morning Britain interview refernced above was in February 2018)

R0wantrees · 11/07/2018 17:50

Fairplay for Women:
Dr Nicola Williams discussing India Willoughby's interview on Good Morning Britain with Karen Ingala Smith Counting Dead Women :

(extract)
"India dared to tell Karen that her website contains a list of crimes committed by men and that this was is a great demonisation.

“I feel really sorry for guys this year – I think they’ve had it really tough”.

India was referring to this; the list of 138 women killed by their male partners or ex-partners last year. This is the annual list that Karen compiles every year with the details of every death in honour of these women. It is the work that told us for the first time that 2-3 woman are killed every week by intimate partners. Yet, all India can see is the vilification of men. I wonder why?

Karen explains what the list is about. “Well there you go – you have one track – one topic of conversation – not all men are bad. There a plenty good guys in this world”

Yes, you heard it right – India Willoughby has just told the head of an organisation that exists to help women after they have been abused by men – that she has only one track! Well thank heavens they do – women need these services and people like Karen who dedicate themselves to this cause. There are currently around 80,000 men in prison in England and Wales compared to just 4000 women. 10,000 of those men are convicted sex offenders compares to a minuscule 126 women. Every statistic you care to look at shows without doubt that violence and abuse is overwhelmingly committed by males.

How dare India mock this cause. India says she’s a woman – well I don’t see your womanhood India. " (continues)

fairplayforwomen.com/thank-india-w-showing-us-women-perceive-transwomen-still-male/

LangCleg · 11/07/2018 16:58

From my perspective, almost everyone looks worse after facial surgery, whether they are trans or not. Faces are less expressive. They take on an uncanny valley look. I think this about Hollywood actresses and I think this about trans people.

India's looks more subtle than Monroe's so I prefer India's. I thought Monroe - much as I dislike them as a person and their views - looked really rather beautiful pre-FFS and looks like a - trying to think of a polite way of putting it - blank doll? post-FFS.

Whatever image of "woman" facial cosmetic surgeons are trying to achieve, it isn't my image of "woman".