Are we the baddies?

actual university funded research in gender studies just says to me that you would be the last person likely to admit that gender is bollocks, really.

Why not study differences in outcome depending on something objectively verifiable, like, I dunno, biological sex?

I personally wouldn’t consider you feminists

Yeah, I struggle with the ‘four letter acronym that we don’t use here’ in part because I don’t think I’m worthy of the title ‘radical feminist’. ‘SPEAM’ is probably closer to my reality:

‘Stranger’s Penii Exclusionary Average Mum’

Funny old world, ain’t it?

Excuse name change, wanted to post on another thread w/o others hounding me from here

So I posted here too identifying my name change

"I am more educated than most having done actual university funded research in gender studies that has won awards"

Just to try and pick this apart. Okay, let's leave aside for the moment the 'gender studies' bit 'cos apart from the great womens studies erasure by 'gender studies' that's a bit too social sciences for me.......

'university funded research' ? O, I wish people would learn to punctuate! (and not just their equilibria........). Research funded by a university, for example, could mean someone who was doing a Masters (which included a research component), and managed to get a scholarship/award of some sort. But then Masters usually a nice little earner in the UK, so not quite sure. Research done at a university? Well, that almost goes without saying, who else bothers with 'gender studies'? Funded research? Well, has to be unless you are independently wealthy...........

So, still no wiser! :-) Just older.........

"..that has won awards.." Usually, students doing research as part of a degree program would be more concerned that they got the degree. A prize/award on top might be nice, but the MSc, PhD, DPhil component usually the most important part.
As regards post-docs and research (where degrees have already been accumulated to the required standard), 'awards' and 'prizes' do happen, but usually at conferences where you get best paper prize, or best poster prize or something.

'I am more educated than most' In general, or just in this field? And frankly, not what you tend to hear from actual academics (where kind of the whole personal focus is/should be on what you don't know, rather than what you do), or if you do tends to also come with list of degrees, h-index, number of papers etc etc. This 'done research' and 'won awards' could be, frankly, an undergraduate who has done some research as part of their degree, and got some uni money to facilitate that (happens at my uni in psychology, say, and various other fields). And then there could, for example, be a prize at graduation for best student research project (ditto at my uni).

So colour me sceptical and highly unimpressed by these claims of academic and/or intellectual superiority...............

Excuse name change, wanted to post on another thread w/o others hounding me from here

Has that happened to you or is it an apprehension based on something?

Are you okay?

Excuse name change, wanted to post on another thread w/o others hounding me from here

Yeah right, pull the other one. I think what you mean is "oh fuck, sock puppet fail".

Excuse name change, wanted to post on another thread w/o others hounding me from here

Hi @SophoclesTheFox

Not at all, I merely said that because someone told me to educate myself, when I have in fact, educated myself. So I was simply defending myself which is apparently not allowed.

Please read the thread properly before engaging.

You have made an assumption about my beliefs and twisted my words which is rude. I have not assumed that any of you are mothers and I certainly don't believe that that makes anyone less intelligent etc! What a horrible thing to suggest!

Quick question for you, smile

Do you think it is a feminist position to assume that the users of Mumsnet are less educated than you? Presumably because we’re “just” mothers?

I’ve three pieces of news for you there.

1. that’s a really sexist assumption (from a feminist, no less!)
2. we’re not all mothers. I’m not
3. There are some very, very well educated people here. You could learn something- I know I have.

I edited myself into a complete lack of clarity, Pratchet!

As an aside, I remember when a friend was denounced as a Big Pharma shill in a book and the author had drawn up an elaborate web of conspiracy theories involving another researcher who was working in the same institute.

My friend had never heard of this chap with whom he was supposedly working in this unconscionable collaboration. Nonetheless, he looked up the floor plan and popped downstairs to introduce himself by saying (approximately), "Hello, Fellow Lizard. Let's exchange our secret New World Order handshake".

I have 2 degrees and if that's the level of critical thinking and writing which yours enables, you should demand a refund.

Excuse me - sorry!

Pratchet - I was referring to science boards where I participated, or blogs. There were regular visits from people who had very different perspectives on particular aspects of science and research etc. but, as above, I withdrew this thought, because altho' this happened for years, I can't think of a time when such visitors engaged in civic/civil discussion or demonstrated much good faith.*

Slightly different as that was between sets of parents, here for the parenting, arguing about how to parent. These are people who say they're upset by the truths we articulate, but come anyway to goad us, insult us and tell us our opinions and consent don't matter/are bigoted/will soon be illegal.

Actually - scrap the above from me. It was rare that there was engagement, it was dumping of screeds of dubious science and interpretation and a refusal to engage or to acknowledge that most of those claims had been refuted, retracted, or debunked.

As you were.

As an aside - I've not seen others boards where these matters are discussed. Does anyone recall examples where 'credentialled posters' announced themselves and engaged in civic and civil disputation and discussion with people whom they perceived to be antagonistic?

*During the long, bitter, online vaccination/anti-vaccination discussions, I can think of many times this happened and huge walls of text and selectively-interpreted research involved. Interesting intersection of science, strong emotions, and civic participation/responsibilities.

Two runners already today, and the sun not over the yardarm

So go on, please, you have made several claims re hate and phobia and drawn an equivalence between MN and the Christian Right so make the arguments re why you feel this is justified...

I am more educated than most having done actual university funded research in gender studies that has won awards

Yes, dear. And it addled your brain. Pomo will do that to you.

Look at the number of trolls on the board, arguing that women don't actually exist other than as a feeling in a mans head, or that female DV victims are irrelevant, or that lesbians are transphobic.

Try to imagine that happening the other way round.

And yet here you are, arguing with feminists rather than trans extremists. Why is that?

Maybe they would laugh too much at this "I am more educated than most having done actual university funded research in gender studies that has won awards rather than the super egotistical google you're all capable of".

You are not the muffin woman are you?

"The problem with MumsNet users...Please stop demonising everyone as correctional rapists, biology denying, predatory misogynists."

That's the most obvious takeaway from a thread asking, Are we the Baddies and the self-reflection that some posters have had?

You are aware that having degrees, publishing research, working in the area does not insulate you from ignorance?

In fact some of the statements you have made display ignorance re what people on MN are actually saying...

The problem with MumsNet users and their views on people who are transgender

All 12 million of them? That's a rather large generalisation.

I am more educated than most having done actual university funded research in gender studies that has won awards rather than the super egotistical google you're all capable of