Grace Petrie on London protests

And omg you have totally just proved her right by claiming she's not a lesbian

Surely by completely dismissing her experience many on here are taking away her voice (or trying to).

Totally fair enough to say that others have different experiences, but accusing her of "whining" and calling her a "dick centered disgrace" are just ways of shutting down the debate.

And actually, rereading the OP properly, if she's 'willing to have sex with' someone with a penis, she's not a lesbian. And that's why actual lesbians are really pissed off.

No one has 'taken away her voice'.

I haven't experienced period poverty. But I have enough imagination to know that it's something other women experience. Ditto (off the top of my head of hideous experiences that happen to women) trafficking, an abusive marriage, and gang rape.

I don't need to whine that those things haven't happened to me. I listen and I validate other women's trauma. I don't dismiss them. It's just NAMALT frankly

Her experience is that (some) feminists have questioned her identity and taken away her voice. That's really sad. I think we should listen to her and take her seriously.

Grace has been keeping on the 'right' side of this for a long time. It makes sense she hasn't yet had hassle. She'll say something that's deemed 'wrong' eventually though - everyone does.

I guess black people who have had the privilege of not being subjected to racist abuse can also tell people that it literally never happens.

Also, I have never been assaulted by a male partner. Ladies, it just doesn't happen, OK. It has never happened to me so I don't see the issue really.

More of the 'I'm alright Jack' bullshit that pops up on here most days.

Well, I've never had it so I can't see there is a problem here.

We've seen the evidence, we know the cotton ceiling exists and who started it etc.

Is it an issue? I don't know, I'm not a lesbian.

Most of my lesbian friends say they've not seen it, but they are my age (40s/50s) and mostly partnered/married so not in the dating pool.

Most of my trans friends don't seem to think that way but then again I don't ask them about their sexuality, why would I? It's their business.

BUT my big bugbear is that we know this attitude exists, we see evidence particularly from young lesbians and yeah it may be extremism but I've yet to see ANYONE from the "other side" condemn it. That's my issue personally.

Tell me these nutters don't speak for you and I'll be a lot happier with your claim to be genuinely interested in engagement and debate. Keep schtum and that tells its own story to me......

Its like Maria Miller being proud of the unisex toilets in the House of commons. And not understanding why they aren't like having to use unisex toilets in a multi storey car park at 2am.

Well I think that's fair enough if that's her experience. It sounds annoying tbh.

I think when you have enough success in these fields, you are socially outside the group of people who experience these things, for the most part (never say never). Since it is a recent phenomenon, you will not have experienced it on the way up.

It reminds me of the outright bullying that went on at DS's school. None of the teachers saw it. The teaching assistant who had been there since the year dot did not see it. The other teaching assistant took her DD out for 'different' reasons but was full of reassurance and had not seen anything untoward. A mum who was in nearly every day helping was totally flummoxed as to what the problem was.

Then one day, out of school, the bullies set upon her son and some girls that he was playing with, because he was playing with the DC who was the focus. She was totally shocked at the extent they went to (rape threats) as well as the physical violence and the police were involved. She saw it then.

She seems to think she's the world. It may shock her that other people have had different experiences. But after looking at my twitter feed and seeing the many, many threats of violence made towards women in the last day or so, I can only say FUCK OFF.

Glad she has spoken up