Grace Petrie on London protests

I have no idea who this person is

I had to Google her. I'm not weighing in on the lesbian/pride/trans/whatever bit but she makes my teeth itch.

She exemplifies exactly why I am now firmly divorced from left wing politics and the Labour party.

She has very little musical talent. She can strum along 3 basic chords and is labouring under the delusion that singing in a working class , non- metropolitan accent will disguise the fact she has an uninteresting and forgettable voice.

Lots of tedious , unoriginal "poltical protest" songs which because because of her lack of talent all sound exactly the same.

Lots of whinging and whining and self-congratulatory guff on Twitter.

She is also one of the many, deeply unoriginal and deeply unfunny performers on The Now Show.

Lots and lots of how awful the Tories are and I just think , yes well they might be but things would be a whole lot worse if people like her were in charge.

Never heard of her

She should just crack o; wit her songs and being afraid in case she don’t confirm

Actually the leaflets are very eye opening to those not deeply involved in sole Pomo identity politics. My Facebook time,one has been ab absolute revelation

Well I doubt she does think that, but wants to be nice. And also (quite naturally) wants to support the group that hasn’t harassed her as opposed to the group that has.

Wanting to be nice is still her being a hypocrite. She is invalidating some quite legitimate concerns and writing them off as bigotry pure and simple.

Harassed? Or pointed out that someone with a penis isn't a lesbian? There's a difference

I have no idea who this person is. So she has been harassed by feminists? Has she reported it to the police?

If she thinks that women can have penises and that there is no difference between a trans woman and a natal woman, she is a hypocrite.

Well I doubt she does think that, but wants to be nice. And also (quite naturally) wants to support the group that hasn’t harassed her as opposed to the group that has.

I think the leaflets that the group at pride handed out did not help matters and have probably tipped her and others like her over the edge. Very, very alienating to most not already deeply invested in GC thought.

The fact is, if this singer came out in support of TERFs, she would lose her career. She would be no-platformed, have her social media flooded with hate, and so forth. Women like her cannot be honest about the situation.

-interrogated me about who I’m willing to have sex with
-told me the answer makes me “not a lesbian”

Okay is she bisexual? Confused.

This would only be hypocritical if she was urging other lesbians to have sex with trans women...

Well, indirectly she is doing that by dismissing the concerns of lesbians who are complaining about this. If she thinks that women can have penises and that there is no difference between a trans woman and a natal woman, she is a hypocrite.

I think of all the complex cognitive dissonances this issue throws up for me, the idea of two people with penises having anal sex and calling themselves lesbians is the most complex. But this obviously shows that I am obsessed with genitals....

Yes racecardriver i think this is a good point. Most of the examples I see of trans people (and others) implying biological sex is irrelevant to sexual orientation are online. Lots of tumblr and Twitter. How far this is carried over into real life is hard to know

Well from a psychological view point it makes perfect sense. Intuitively Pro art experiences create a far greater impression than secondary experiences. So if you are in the thick of it and you are only being hassled by the gethelout people then it's quite natural to find it hard to bekuevr that trabsacticists could be the problem. But if you observing though media for example you end up with a very different impression because you have no pro ary experiences to draw on.

How can she be a lesbian and never have stated her sexual preference?
Surely we could) would presume it's other women?

It feels like the lesbian community are really split on this issue.

Also, she claims to be woke and inclusive but would she fuck as like go out with or sleep with a fully intact trans woman. No she wouldn't and nor would all the other conveniently coupled up lesbians (to biological females of course) who state that trans women are our sisters. So hypocritical.

This would only be hypocritical if she was urging other lesbians to have sex with trans women...

Thanks for clarifying

*Surely by completely dismissing her experience many on here are taking away her voice (or trying to).

Totally fair enough to say that others have different experiences, but accusing her of "whining" and calling her a "dick centered disgrace" are just ways of shutting down the debate.*

Yeah I agree with this. I’m not saying her experience is or isn’t representative, but is it really so hard to take her account seriously? If she says she’s had more harassment off GC feminists than she’s had homophobia, let’s accept that is the case.

Yes, Notsolittle-I should have made that clear

Sorry Bertrand, is that a copy & paste of a Twitter interaction? I'm confused..

I honestly and truly thought that lesbians didnt like penis and were very fond of vagina

I think that if actually you like vagina and are not adverse to penis then there is another word that is usually used to describe that sexual preference

Someone used the vegetarian analogy the other day, if you are mainly vegetarian but occasionally eat fish...you are not actually a vegetarian. You are a pescatarian

As my DH yelled at the german 'get your own fucking (swear)words'

Words mean something

She went on to say "I think you heard people saying “it’s transphobic to say ‘lesbians can’t sleep with trans women because they aren’t women’” - which is true - and conflated that with pressuring an individual to have unwilling sex with another individual - which is wrong"

Surely by completely dismissing her experience many on here are taking away her voice (or trying to)

What experience? She is entitled to her opinion of course. She says it has never happened to her. Big deal. Other people have said it has happened to them. What makes her able to say for certain that there is no such thing as lesbian erasure?

Also, she claims to be woke and inclusive but would she fuck as like go out with or sleep with a fully intact trans woman. No she wouldn't and nor would all the other conveniently coupled up lesbians (to biological females of course) who state that trans women are our sisters. So hypocritical.

The erasure thing can be seen for instance in the outrage over Scarlett Johansson being cast in a 'trans' role and people arguing that it should have gone to a trans actor. Well, the whole irony is that the character is not even fucking trans- it's a butch lesbian woman pretending to be a man. So it in fact requires a woman to play it. Scarlett is a woman. No issue. But butch lesbian which is an identity in itself has now suddenly become transgender. That is surely erasure.

I asked her if the had ever said that she did not want to have sex with a lesbian with a penis and she replied "No I have never publicly stated my sexual preferences, and funnily enough all of these voices of trans support and solidarity that have built me up over the years have NEVER ONCE asked me to either. The discussion of it is intrusive at best. I take whoever I want to bed. Cheers."

But if she does dick, she is not a lesbian.

I’m quite happy to debate with her.

She is shutting down debate by dismissing the valid and distressing experiences of lesbians. For woke points.