Grace Petrie on London protests

She's drawn attention to this thread on her twitter.

Grace, I stand by what I wrote above. I would say it to your face, too. Just because you personally have not experienced something does not mean it's OK, ever, to deny that other women have. You are promoting rape apologism and I am so disappointed in you.

Magpies - thank you for being able to read my ipad nonsense!

I meant that quite a few people who I didn't expect to agree came out and said that of course lesbians don't have sex with people with penises.

I have seen a fair amount of sanctimonious bullying elsewhere though

I mean... when I was at uni I protested the invasion of Iraq. Kids now are protesting cheese festivals and women meeting up to talk about law changes.

I rather think the people making the laws will continue to be old Etonians with a first in ppe from oxbridge but this coercive shite is emblematic of the fact that actual grown ups aren't going to vote for the looney fringe alternative

This whole identy politics bs being played out and promoted, the sanctimonious bullying eedjits controlling the likes of student politics/student unions etc has made me very worried about the caliber of folk who will be going on to be our future politicians and running the country, creating our future policies and laws

This exactly.

Petrie's raison d'etre for thinking anyone should care tuppence about her opinion on anything is that she promotes herself as a political singer songwriter. There is nothing cheap or nasty about saying she isn't very good.

She uses her half- baked, extreme left wing views to prop up her very limited ability as a musician. If she puts herself in the public domain on that basis she is open to criticism the same as any other performer.

I like her music.
That's why I was disappointed to see her so public about views that are so different from mine, about whether male humans are lesbians.

I really hope there aren't straight women going about telling lesbians they're not lesbians.
There's enough lesbianity police as it is.

Most of the lesbians I've met who have this view in public would never actually consider sleeping with a male in reality.

It's just a shame for young lesbians they might influence.

I've tweeted Ms Petrie with evidence that it does happen. YY to PP saying that attacks on her music are irrelevant.

Criticism of her music or anything not directly related to the debate in question is irrelevant, cheap and nasty. And if I believed in deletion should probably be deleted.

Who people choose to take to bed is also completely irrelevant and an entirely private matter. Until it it is made public by calling some people bigots for rejecting particular body types as sexual partners.

Lots and lots of how awful the Tories are and I just think , yes well they might be but things would be a whole lot worse if people like her were in charge.

Yip yip yip. This whole identy politics bs being played out and promoted, the sanctimonious bullying eedjits controlling the likes of student politics/student unions etc has made me very worried about the caliber of folk who will be going on to be our future politicians and running the country, creating our future policies and laws. After Labour’s treatment if women, the whole Madigan thing, JC saying TWAW on telly and expecting every woman to just fall in line or they are no doubt a nasty bigot - well I no longer trust or believe in Labour. The icing on the cake is OJ.

Actually the leaflets are very eye opening to those not deeply involved in sole Pomo identity politics. My Facebook time,one has been ab absolute revelation

In what way?

Grace Petrie has long been banging the "I'm a lesbian and it hasn't happened to me therefore it happens to no other lesbians, either" drum.

She doesn't appear to realise that what she's doing is textbook, classic, rape-apologism: deny, minimise, disbelieve. Her behaviour is disgraceful.

I did really like her music, and I've seen her live a couple of times, so I was so disappointed when she started doing this rape-culture-denial nonsense on twitter a while back. I haven't been able to listen to her music since.

(And yes, if she says she's a lesbian, of course she has said what her sexual preferences are - although I would not say preference, I'd say orientation.)

BOO

I agree

I dont think they are lesbians at all, but the whole situation must be an incredible headfuck if you really believe they are and want to be inclusive

Saying you don't like her music is just irrelevant

What is irrelevant about it? What an odd thing to say. I'm not interested in the trans issues and I'm bored of both sides but she puts herself forward as a musician . From what I've heard on YouTube she is dull, unoriginal and not very talented.

It isn't just rhat I don't like her politics - I don't- but there are other political artists whose politics I disagree with but whom I can still appreciate as talented artists- the Scottish Nationalist singer songwriter Dougie McLean for example or Billy Bragg for that matter

I have seen her live several times and find her a very engaging warm performer.

I do agree that tw cannot be lesbians but as a mostly straight woman I can understand a lesbian getting annoyed when she is told she is being homophobic.

Saying you don't like her nusic is just irrelevant.

I went off for a listen (I love women singer/songwriters) but I’m afraid I agree with lass.

Exposure to crap music needs an antidote, so here is the wonderful Amanda Shires covering Leonard Cohen’s ‘I’m Your Man’:

m.youtube.com/watch?v=ryHF7vwNsYQ

This is quite entertaining actually - @Glinner has posted up links & riled Gracie up to the point she's told him to FUCK OFF.

Ooh, the mighty Robin Ince has declared on twitter that MNetters are

unutterably horrible people.

While admitting he has no actual clue what this is all about.

That's a smart move eh?

Snappity you must be exhausted and have cramp in your fingers with them hovering over the keyboard , sitting waiting for a thread to start that will let you drop your little gems in. I admire your stamina.
That's 2 nights on the trot. Bravo

I love it. Lass is disparaging about Grace's musical ability.
It is pointed out that Grace has seen the thread.
Lass, with refined class, doubles down on the opinion because she knows Grace is now watching.
Reminds me of my cat, judging me scornfully from the other side of the room, suddenly being gifted with speech and saying, "Yes? You expected compliments for that ensemble?"

On reflection "3 basic chords" is being kind to her. Her style of playing is just generic strumming.

Maybe Gracie would like to comment on the doxxing going on by her trans 'siblings' of the lesbians who were part of the protest. Or is that something else Gracie never sees?

Hi Gracie!

Someone's tipped her off.

mobile.twitter.com/gracepetrie/status/1016456265512509441

Oooh yer all terrible, you are!

I have no idea who this person is and can't be arsed to find out. I'll just take Lass's word for it