Dominic Raab: We must end feminist bigotry

Men just cause more damage.

After the DARVO bit, just?

I think someone needs to read and understand the rules of misogyny.(hint... they're not actually meant to be a 'how to')

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/6kkeni/theerulesoffmisogyny/

The problem is that the people who purportedly want equality, feminists, seem to focus on women

Nope - feminism seeks liberation for women. And yes, it does focus on women. Of course it does.

women initiate 75% of DV

Ah, see when someone comes out with that one it’s fairly telling. I’ve heard this one before. By initiate, you mean ‘exist in the same space as a violent man.’ I’ve heard this stat trotted out by MRAs - what it means to them is that the woman has ‘nagged’ or similar and thus deserves it. In reality, 85% of DV is male on female. And yes, men do far more damage.

Men don’t commit 90% of crime

Actually for violent crime I think it’s 98%. Most women in prison are in for drugs offences and non violent crimes.

Men die on average earlier partly due to biology and partly due to society. There’s a fair amount of work done on the idea that a couples reproductive fitness is increased by what’s called ‘alloparenting.’ Its basically where ‘helpers in the nest’ help the reproducing pair. Loads done in Seychelles warblers if you fancy looking it up.
The helper benefits because their genetic material shares significant overlap with the pair being helped and it’s thought this could underlie altruism in humans. Anyway, grandmothers in particular seem to be effective helpers and again, there’s a fair body of work done that explains in evolutionary terms why extended female life span past reproductive years can benefit the offspring even after they have passed reproductive ability themselves.
Men have higher rates of death by suicide, risk taking behaviour, cardiovascular events (although women are almost level with them now so that’s possibly more environmental than innate.)

None of these reasons is matriarchal oppression of men. In fact being married increases men’s lifespans. possibly due to increased happiness and someone to nag them to go to the docs.

Better not nag too much though eh? With our eggshell skulls and all...

Society IS set up for men. Women are oppressed based on their biology - we are on average smaller, weaker and the reproductive class.

You’re making a class error in your logic. You can look at how classes intersect in the society you’re in. So for example white men are generally at the top of the tree. Now look at poverty and geography and you’ll see that white boys from poor estates in Glasgow don’t do great. That’s the intersection of poverty and that of maleness. It allows you to look at how factors combine to dosadvtahe or advantage people - however it says nothing about the fact that in general, men are at the top of the tree - and fairly unwilling to move the fuck over for women, ethnic minorities or anyone else.

Women initiate 75% of domestic violence and are 75% of unilateral batterers. Men just cause more damage. Interesting that lesbian relationships, where no men are present, have BY FAR the highest rates of violence. Look it all up, I'm not lying.

Sorry thats absolute bollocks. I believe the survey those stats came from included stuff such as 'nagging' as DV

How odd, that feminists focus on injustices towards female people. Of course feminists should focus on the things that happen to men too, and by men.

Actually, no, Pratchet, you were right.

TL:DR without qualification is the only reponse.

Bore off, you bell-end.

Ah the poor men. Being discriminatd against by misandrist feminists. Clearly feminists need to stfu and stop pointing out abusive male pattern behaviour, so as not to offend the males who are not abusive. OR the non-abusive mles could grow a brain and realise that when feminists speak of male violence and such, if they are not abusive themselves, they are not included in the abusive males section. Like, come on. NAMALT disclaimer, so as not to offend those who think I am a misandrist.

I think the TL:DR is "poster above pratchet's post is a trolly troll and thick as mince into the bargain."

Bowl's critique is good, though.

Tl:dr

Well done to all of the bright sparks who conflated male victims with male perpetrators. People like you with your intelligent and considered judgements of what is fair should justifiably fill the corridors of power. Some obvious sexist told me that the number of women willing to work 60+ hour weeks was far smaller than the number of men and that women study and pursue subjects and careers which are likely to see them earn less and have more flexible working arrangements, meaning less women will end up at the top of the pile meritocratically. The bigot even tried to suggest that the distribution of male and female IQ was provably unequal with most of the people with extremely high scores and an innate capacity to excel in any given field being male. Obviously this is just scientific sexism, because we are all aware that science MUST always demonstrate the equity of sexes in all matters except those where women excel and men lag behind. He even tried to explain to me that the longest serving monarch and also prime minister of this patriarchal hell hole were female as was the current PM, implying strongly that women who climb to the top of the greasy pole are no more compassionate or empathetic than their male counterparts. In what I hope my sisters will agree was the correct feminist move, i kicked him square in the testicles and departed immediately. The nerve of someone trying to rationalize a non-feminist outlook! Can you imagine? Unfortunately I was arrested for battery. I was not punished to the same standards as a man would have been for committing the exact same crime, but rather received one third of the sentence because, as anyone with an ounce of sense knows, equality means that women are treated equally when we like it, preferentially when we demand it and like children when the consequences would be too harsh. As it should be in a decent and rational society. #progress #womensostrong

Fucking hell that's scary. And Theresa May has no qualms about appointing him.

A bonfire of the regulations eh? Because that has already worked out well for tenants

I would welcome more support for men who are victims of male toxicity. it is part of breaking the cycle of abuse.

But of course they don't actually want to do that - just use fake concern about poor men as an excuse to have a go at evil, unfair, domineering, selfish women.

Very much this.

And I wish Mr Raab C Nesbitt a lot of luck in pleading his "feminists are all bigots" message to the increasing numbers of women are now taking no shit (thanks Mumsnet )

What an A grade gaslighting fucker he is.

And of course allowing men to selfID as women in crime stats and court stats etc plays right into his hands.

My DH has severe MH problems as a result of male abuse, this government does nothing to help him and everything to reinforce his shame and self loathing via the degrading benefits system and useless NHS.

Nor do they help homeless men many of whom are mentally ill. The government want to change that? Go right ahead... they have the power. I would welcome more support for men who are victims of male toxicity. it is part of breaking the cycle of abuse.

But of course they don't actually want to do that - just use fake concern about poor men as an excuse to have a go at evil, unfair, domineering, selfish women.

I was very unclear. It's a shame we can't do it to him. Knob.

Ah right sorry!

Hi I mean my MP. The tories will lose my MP.

He got 35,000 votes! 2nd place got less than 12,000. That's a massive bloody majority, not small at all There is no way E and W would ever return a non-Tory.

No, my MP. Majority was decimated last time.

75% of murder victims are women doing the killing of these men? No? Then why is this an argument for women being awful. It’s men killing men.

75% of suicides - that is tragic and needs to be looked at and worked on far more than it is. Men tend to be more ‘effective’ in that they choose more successful and violent means of suicide such as guns, cars etc. Men also tend to suffer more severe mental illness

80% of substance abusers - linked to mental ill health. Services for all users are being cut to the bone. We should all be pressing for better addiction support, it affects all of society. But again this isn’t a ‘women being awful’ issue.

90% of the incarcerated - men commit more crime. I can’t say that’s a reason to feel sorry for them. You commit crime you get locked up yes? Again this isn’t due to women being awful.

95% of rough sleepers - linked to substance abuse, but also because womenCANNOT safely sleep outdoors.

95% of workplace fatalities - again that’s something that needs to be worked on. One is too much. Mainly down to the sex skewing of jobs which means men still do more physical roles, but also men take more risks. This again is not a ‘women being awful’ issue.

Destined to die 6 years earlier on average.

Well as I think we’ve established, we didn’t invent biology. Women are t taking those years off you (it actually increases men’s lifespans to be married. Reduces women’s mind...)

So. Some of these issues are Male driven. Some are societally driven.

NONE of these issues are down to women oppressing men, women being awful to men or systemic matriarchy.

Now if we look the other way, at things like:

Domestic violence (still predominantly male on female)
Rape
Murder of women
Sexual assault
The way society is set up to benefit men.. etc etc. ALL these things are directly men being awful to women.

So I dont follow your argument. Bad shit happens to men, it’s very, very, very rarely women’s actual fault is it? There’s no need for man activism to stop all the weaker sex oppressing you is there?

And that is definitely an MP losing a seat. Small majority

Raab? His majority is fucking huge.