Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo

It’s why these things continue to happen, why we haven’t learned anything. People just don’t want to believe that JS etc could not have been so bad without all of the hidden JS in positions of authority within these organisations who remain hidden to this day.

The prospect of this is frightening.

What's more horrifying to me is that all those f*king agencies and people supposedly paid and employed to "safeguard" children are complicit in the wholesale dereliction of their duty by putting children in harms' way by not doing any, i.e. zero, impact statements, in any organisation, of the consequences of relaxing sex-segregated spaces.

This. It's a fucking joke. It needs to change.

It's more than likely the management were in on it.

They'd either be in on it or groomed - wasn't it Esther Rantzen who defended JS?

In the end, the perps get protected by the organisation because otherwise, employees become whistleblowers and we know what happens to them.... and we have a parallel situation now where people are silenced around their misgivings about the loss of single-sex spaces and /or having someone who believes they have changed sex as a boss or peer. Instead of open discussion, one side is silenced.

look at the people who enabled & defended him, as well as Thatcher etc
not suprising as the likes of Peter Hayman were part of the Westminster paedophile ring.

Saville was terrifying to me as a child. My family always watched the show Jimll fix it. He used to make my skin crawl. Recently a family member of a similar age has been found out as a paedophile and they made me feel the same as a child. Believe me Ofred Saville had something deeply terryfying about him, and if kids could pick it up them Im sure certain adults could too. That doesnt mean the bbc wasnt equally complicit - guilt and responsibility are not halved by being shared. And Sarah

but those trying to report were dismissed and made to feel they were the people in the wrong

That’s my fear with the Girl Guides current stance. They are so adamant there will be no safeguarding issues with their gender from sex change - if something did happen would they pressure the girls to stay quite or make them feel wrong by complaining.

bigKiteFlying

there's a thread already up I see. What were those school rape figures btw?

They groomed the BBC management

It's more than likely the management were in on it.

No spareribfem - I’m focusing on the fact that what we are meant to take from the whole thing is that he was bad and people were afraid of him and we are meant to ignore that the organisations were also bad and actively protected him in full knowledge of who he was and what he was doing. That this led people to be afraid of the organisations as well as Saville.

^ This is the important part re organisational learning and it is not being learnt in fact there is a reasonable amount of evidence to suggest it is still going on in West yorks police and LA.

Savile, glitter and king all had the same camera man. Hall, Harris and savile were the BBC’s top kids entertainers. It was organisational culture.

They groomed those around them well - including JS using his cover of doing "good work" ie Jim'll Fix It plus his "charity work".

They groomed the BBC management - look at the people who enabled & defended him, as well as Thatcher etc

Solution: outsource program production, a policy of turn a blind eye plus wait til they die; a few token prosecutions of low hanging fruit, and lastly topped off by a few hail marys - right - that'll solve it /s

Oh and now the BBC employs a larger % of those who believe they can change sex than contemporary organisations

Yes, but it is crucial IMO to recognise that it was not just a fear of Saville but a fear of the fact that organisations like the BBC and the police were actively protecting him and intimidating the people he harmed.

Absolutely. And, with regards to the safeguarding lessons learned from that, how come it's playing out all over again? The safeguarding of children trumps all other issues and agendas. My agenda, your agenda and yes, the bloody extremist trans agenda too.

I was going to do one about misogyny and the Notts Police pilot - the stats are horrifying but great to see them quantified.

Good idea - they do need highlighting as much as possible. Depressingly I looked at the figures and though - hmm about right .

The school rape figures through - few years older - really did shock me.

This narrative of ‘Bad people are bad people, we didn’t know but if we had of known there would have been nothing we could have done because bad people are just so bad’ Is so incredibly pervasive it features in every single media report about every single abuser!

Powerless people were afraid of Saville. Those who gained benefit from belonging to the group colluded with him and each other.

I would also like to point out that these people have to find each other, somehow. They have to be able to recognise each other, and recruit.

One recruitment tactic they use is to gain information on an individual, and use the threat of exposure to coerce them. They might do that by using a set up, or by using another individual who has access to confidential information.
That individual may then go on to think 'in for a penny, in for a pound' and go along with the group.
They are both threatened and benefitting from membership. Its not always a simple cut and dried relationship.

Sarahjconnor You are not unhinged.
People need to be able to recognise patterns of behaviour, just as you recognise it in the way safeguarding is being dealt with at your DD's school. Unless we can do that, we cant challenge or change them.

Yes, and it just so happens that the very same region of the U.K. is involved in a number of other dodgy situations now re sex work, trans agenda and child abuse....

The same police force Saville boasted about protecting him...

But yeah, everyone was afraid of him and couldn’t help it!

I agree that JS didn't have any power, he was one of many DJ s and TV personalities. He was replaceable.

I don't think many thought what he was doing was a big deal, maybe they thought he was pushing the boundaries a bit, but his victims weren't important to anyone with the ability to stop it.

bigKiteFlying

I think that deserves a post on its own - I was going to do one about misogyny and the Notts Police pilot - the stats are horrifying but great to see them quantified.

Saville was protected because he cultivated friendships with people in power and because what he was doing was known about and understood to be acceptable by those around him but particularly by those powerful friends who protected him. I doubt they were afraid of him, I suspect they were/are like him...

This!
High up people like him who were in power then covered it up and high up people like him who are in power now are still covering things up.

And also yy re Nanette and ‘men’s reputations’

And yy re the lack of organisational learning from Saville... This is why I am so irate re ‘everyone was afraid of him’... Bullshit they were... Total bullshit...