Safeguarding girls and protecting women post Jimmy Saville & #metoo

Did you mean to say, "I sincerely apologise for coming onto this thread without having read and throwing around the bigot insult in complete contradiction to everything you all were actually saying?^

And also "I don't actually think that the safeguarding of children is less important than other people's reputations, honest".

That's the most ironic post I've ever read. Posters are spelling out how people use lax safeguarding to target vulnerable children and you are still more concerned about adults who may be tarred with the same brush.

Quite. Is there a pulling your hair out with impotent fury at endless fuckwittery emoji?

Italic fail. Bah. I lose my rag when my attempts to advocate for the safeguarding of trans-identified children are met with fuckwittery.

I’ve no doubt that some people do have the best intentions in mind with regards to this, but you also need to realise that bigots will hijack topics like this to further their bigoted agenda.

Did you mean to say, "I sincerely apologise for coming onto this thread without having read and throwing around the bigot insult in complete contradiction to everything you all were actually saying?^

If not, why not?

Everyone characterised people who had concerns as 'conspiracists' or loons because it seemed like a wild claim that couldn't be true and all we could do was speculate?

Is that not setting off alarm bells?

Don't ever have conversations in case someone else comes along and has a totally different conversation that you wouldn't agree with, ladies!

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I’ve no doubt that some people do have the best intentions in mind with regards to this, but you also need to realise that bigots will hijack topics like this to further their bigoted agenda.

That's the most ironic post I've ever read. Posters are spelling out how people use lax safeguarding to target vulnerable children and you are still more concerned about adults who may be tarred with the same brush.

If people dont' want to be confused with abusers then don't use the tactics they use to remove safeguarding.

IMO you need to realise that bigot does not mean what you think it means...

I’ve no doubt that some people do have the best intentions in mind with regards to this, but you also need to realise that bigots will hijack topics like this to further their bigoted agenda.

Many of us were not surprised when the revelations about Saville came out, and there's a notable trend of the unsurprised being predominantly female. Now, why might that be? Might there be something in the way that girls are brought up, and in the experiences that many of them have with men as tweens/teens, that would lead them to having a rather finely calibrated radar when it comes to male predators?

Ironic that when those same women then try to sound the alarm about safeguarding frameworks being diluted specifically because they can see how that will put trans kids at risk they're accused of being transphobic, because the person reading sees "predators will take advantage of this" and assumes that anyone talking about predators is talking about them.

Why would you assume that? It's not what anyone said.

As for insinuating that transpeople, Transwomen in particular are a danger to girls and women, that’s speculative at best based on ignorance of the facts. Transpeople in general are more likely to be the victims of an attack rather than the perpetrator, but were human too, were not perfect, no one is, and to single out a section of society like this based on outdated and ignorant stereotypes? Really?

Most of this thread is taken up with the dilution of safeguarding frameworks due to pressure and guidance from trans lobby groups that actually put trans children in danger of being targeted by abusers.

So try reading the thread before you come on throwing inaccurate insults.

Try this post of mine earlier in the thread, then look at what you've done. You are one of the useless idiots I'm talking about:

I've raised the safeguarding points I've made here so many times and been screamed down by transactivists - You vicious bigot! You think all trans people are paedos! - because they can't conceive that I'm talking about anyone else but them.

It doesn't matter how many times I say FFS, you useless idiot. I'm trying to protect the trans children from paedos - they can't hear me.

Cross post; I was talking about JS.

We don't need to give abusers the benefit of the doubt in case we look like conspiracy theorists. The people infiltrating various institutions are the ones inside the conspiracy.

The people trying to expose the way they recruit, hide and and operate are not creating Project Fear. We need to learn those lessons.

It was an open secret IMO... I found him creepy and wouldn’t watch him as a child. I wasn’t at all surprised.

The problem was not that he was clever. It’s that he was supported and protected by powerful friends IMO. I don’t think him being clever adequately explains JS.

It helps people feel better to say ‘he was really bad’ or ‘he was really clever’ or ‘he groomed everyone’ because understanding that British institutions like the police and the BBC actively protected and defended him and re victimised and targeted people who were harmed by him, and may actually be bad like him just haven’t yet been exposed, is something they don’t want to hear.

People want things to ‘be nice’ to the point of delusion very frequently, especially if they feel powerless to do something about it.

interesting program on R4 now John O'Farrell series
'Things Can only get worse':
John O'Farrell looks back at the last 20 years in British politics, to try to make sense of where we are now. In the US the Democrats had chosen Barack Obama as their candidate, and John O'Farrell headed to Wisconsin to help canvas. Hope was in plentiful supply but 2008 would still bring a series of financial blows
www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0b94sjq

Rumours yes, but very little evidence, he was clever like that, and Louis came off looking like a conspiracist unfortunately. Maybe the ptb knew but could prove anything, and that’s why he stopped appearing on tv for a long time, but all we can do is speculate at this point.

Made worse by the internet and social media...

What the hell happened?

IMO neoliberalism, identity politics and the rise of individualism.

We were all surprised and shocked when the revelations about JS came out, and that’s bevayse he’d put himself in an elevatod position of trust and respectability.

Were we?

There were rumours for years and years, that persisted and didn't go away.

Remind me why Louis Theroux did a documentary on him.

We were all surprised and shocked when the revelations about JS came out, and that’s bevayse he’d put himself in an elevatod position of trust and respectability. He was on prime time Saturday afternoon tv granting wishes, he raised money for charities, he volunteered at a Leeds hospital. It’s only after it all came out that we realised why and what had been going on. As for insinuating that transpeople, Transwomen in particular are a danger to girls and women, that’s speculative at best based on ignorance of the facts. Transpeople in general are more likely to be the victims of an attack rather than the perpetrator, but were human too, were not perfect, no one is, and to single out a section of society like this based on outdated and ignorant stereotypes? Really?

Psychopaths start by defining the game, the rules, the pitch and the players on which they will play - another game plan needs developing

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Nawal el Saadawi interview talks about the failures of education:

www.channel4.com/news/ways-to-change-the-world-a-new-channel-4-news-podcast-nawal-el-saadawi

Red

I agree about the impact of education focus.

by way of example:
When I was at primary school, my teacher read Orwell's 'Animal Farm' to us.
We talked about it and thought about it. I have never forgotten what it described.

When I was a bit older, I learned more about the historical /political context etc. This added to my understanding of the book, author & context.

It is a GCSE text, most students are taught to answer the questions. There's little space/time possible to read, relect, consider and apply across subject disciplines or outside the classroom.
www.bbc.com/education/guides/zpybr82/revision/1

Without an understanding of psychopathy and what needs to be in place to limit its reach, any system will inevitably deal the same hand- male white psychopaths draining public coffers and using and abusing women

Psychopaths start by defining the game, the rules, the pitch and the players on which they will play - another game plan needs developing