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Transwomen were 'coercively and violently' assigned male at birth.

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Macareaux · 09/07/2018 06:57

And apparently, later in the thread, the reason we don't talk about transmen as much as transwomen is that feminism is not about the men.

JFC my head hurts.

Transwomen were 'coercively and violently' assigned male at birth.
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Ereshkigal · 09/07/2018 12:23

I feel like as a woman I am now being coercively and violently forced into accepting this kind of attitude as fact. Bet I wouldn’t get as many retweets and likes if I posted that though.

This.

mmmgoats · 09/07/2018 12:20

I feel like as a woman I am now being coercively and violently forced into accepting this kind of attitude as fact. Bet I wouldn’t get as many retweets and likes if I posted that though.

Datun · 09/07/2018 12:18

I'm just astonished that people who are so aggressively entitled and often so aggressive can also be such fucking snowflakes.

Exactly.

Neatly demonstrated by their if you want to overcome patriarchy, respect male bodied individuals.

Letmesuckyourblood · 09/07/2018 12:18

Oh what a load of rubbish. Babies are given the sex they are born as. Male or Female. That's it, nothing else. If they grow to want to change their gender then fair enough. Their body and their life so they can. This is jut getting stupidly out of control now tho.

BiologyIsReal · 09/07/2018 12:01

Jeez, I am so annoyed by these clots I can't even type properly, yet alone use correct grammar Angry

BiologyIsReal · 09/07/2018 11:59

Every time I see one of these surreal TRA announcement the phrases I can help thinking these weirdos have the IQ of a retarded gnat. How is it possible for any human being to be so monumentally stupid?

ElenOfTheWays · 09/07/2018 11:06

All babies should be left to be raised by wolves. Problem solved.

Well it makes about as much sense as anything else being said on Twitter atm.

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Pressyne · 09/07/2018 10:49

So how would this individual like it to be done? Use those magic scans that can tell if the baby has a blue brain or a pink brain (because that's a real science thing)? Or wave some tinsel-spangled fairy wand and a monster tractor at infants and see which one makes them cry?

findthegap · 09/07/2018 10:39

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ErrolTheDragon · 09/07/2018 10:34

The logical solution is to be gender critical, to work to demolish gender stereotypes and roles. Get rid of patriarchal biases. Get rid of heteronormativity, absobloodylutely.

Get rid of sex.... no, can't do that. It's real and immutable. Even if we could do the above so that kids can be kids, adults can express themselves how they wish and fulfil their potential without the artificial constraints of gender, there will always be a few with dysmorphia who are unhappy with their sexed body and for whom changing it insofar as possible to resemble the other sex may be the least worst option. But denying the reality helps no one.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 09/07/2018 10:24

How do you violently assign sex? Throw the babies into pink or blue boxes?!?!
FFS

drwitch · 09/07/2018 10:16

Problem is that they are half right - gender is assigned/imposed at birth based on biological sex which is observed

Moonkissedlegs · 09/07/2018 10:13

I'm just astonished that people who are so aggressively entitled and often so aggressive can also be such fucking snowflakes.

Yes, this sums up a lot of trans activists so well!

QuinionsRainbow · 09/07/2018 10:11

Transwomen were 'coercively and violently' assigned male at birth

Probably missing the point, and no doubt setting myself up to be flamed, but how and when were their dicks attached?

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/07/2018 10:06

I'm just astonished that people who are so aggressively entitled and often so aggressive can also be such fucking snowflakes. If they were women, centuries of staunch, brave and hard-working women would be spinning in their graves like hamsters on speed.

Ilikelotsofthinngs · 09/07/2018 10:02

Does anyone else ever get the feeling this whole thing is just a massive exercise in trolling?
I mean some of these people just cannot be real.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/07/2018 10:01

Sorry, my previous post was a bit unclear - I'd not read the NS piece previously but quickly did so when I saw it mentioned.

Bespin · 09/07/2018 09:53

thanks LaSqrrl your like my personal assistant my memory Is not what it used to be. but to. my knowledge I have never done that and never will as I am a big supporter of people with intersex conditions and there fight to be recognised. but do add that to your database lol

ErrolTheDragon · 09/07/2018 09:53

I knew my DDs sex before she was born because I had an amino so they'd looked at her chromosomes.

I hadn't got round to reading this week's New Scientist yet but the piece wasn't conflating sex and gender. It's talking about gender in the context of nature v nurture. E.g how much of men's supposed talent for engineering is down to biological factors ... and how much is due to societal conditioning? And about how mothers engage male babies in more physical activity than girls, which affects the development of the nervous system.

Our sex is noted at birth but it actually is true that most babies are to greater or lesser extents assigned a gender. (It's arguable that families who have 'gender reveal' parties truly are liable to be stamping gender on their hapless unborn). Observed to be male and therefore assigned to be masculine.

Wherismymind · 09/07/2018 09:47

Sex is categorised at birth just like weight and time of birth and any defects.
If it cant be an untrosound and chromosome test is carried out to clarify the sex. (this happened to my ds)

Sex is simply a way of saying which part of the species reproductive group the child falls into.

Parents, peers and society influence the gender. The sex is a constant.

It's like saying, my mum saying I have brown eyes at birth was violent as I now wear blue contact.

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/07/2018 09:45

How does Coercively and violently assigned male at birth look

If it is a boy does the midwife scream and throw things around and attack an assisting nurse beating her to a pulp before shouting it's a boy in a blood curdling manner.

Or on first sight of the genitalia announce its a boy.

I think someone has disappeared up their own genitalia.

stillathing · 09/07/2018 09:25

it is so sad and frustrating that we can't just all agree that abolishing gender stereotypes (and remembering that sex is not gender) would be good for everyone.

Dhalandchips · 09/07/2018 09:14

Holy fuckbiscuits.

ijustwannadance · 09/07/2018 09:09

I knew my DD's SEX at 10 weeks pregnant. Way before genitals were observed.

SEX cannot be changed.

Best thing to to is dress all kids in black, shave their heads, give them only neutral, wooden, educational toys and once they reach 16 they can then choose either a pink dress and long hair or a blue suit and short hair?

Bowlofbabelfish · 09/07/2018 09:01

Well exactly - women who have had procedures done without consent or against consent, denied pain relief, had their pelvises broken during birth, who have been cut and stitched with zero pain relief (not even a pudendal block) - they can talk about obstetric violence.

Noting down that the resulting infant is a boy is not a violent procedure.