Family members posting #notadebate on FB

Except the baby will be chestfed by its father right with hormone laced milk

Floorplan well maybe you do. what my firend as just done and go through ivf successfully like lots of other same sex couples do and start a family. we are no different to any other person really.

Oh I see like I am Cait. You have the kids as a man, let the wife change the nappies, then become a laydee when the kids leave home. But puberty blockers won't afford this possibility to young trans will it so why do trans people keep pushing for youngsters to take sterilising blockers?

Floorplan this is one of the most out right hateful things I have ever read on here. the reason that maybe we do not do that is we have actual children wirh people and we Co parent with our partners.

to the original poster just show your daughter this thread and I'm sure it will help show you her that this is a reasoned view point

Actually, isn't ithat really strange how transwomen don't all go around pushing new born baby dolls in prams? It's all about lipstick and frocks isn't it. You'd think at least some of them would push prams - such a readily accessible accoutrement of femininity. It wouldn't matter after all if the baby was pretend as you can get very well made new born dolls these days. After all many of them have fake breasts etc. And neo vaginas aren't exactly real. What are your thoughts Pratchet on the lack of prams.

I don't believe this myself, but I believe they would counteract that the foetus has 2 hormone sensitive periods (I don't think there is any evidence for this but that doesn't stop them). One affects the brain the second affects the sex organs. This is how they get round the argument.
So transwomen would like pink and stilettos and being nice to children but their bodies were misbuilt so..

Ps not thick. The whole of trans ideology is a trick.

I'm mimmyman

How can you have such a concept of 'male' or 'female' for a brain to have - if it doesn't relate to reproductive role? There is no male or female if you take away reproductive role.

God I don't understand what you are saying either. I can be thick. Are you saying trans dont recognise reproduction as being relevant to the trans issue? I would agree.
I dont understand the second sentence though. I thought they believed in male/female brains?

I mean that in trans ideology there is no such thing as a male or female body by reproductive role.

So there's no 'male' or ''female' from a brain to identify with and no 'male' or 'female' for anyone to trans to or from.

mimmymam Im trying to get my head round your comment. Would you mind explaining it. Did you mean something like this?

If 1% people have the wrong body, then the body obviously has nothing to do with gender. In which case the 1% should be happy with their body (ie middle aged type men who say they are women.) So woman gender means those who believe they are women. So why would anyone have GRS and why do they encourage kids to do it "otherwise they will commit suicide." Why dont they tell kids its so very normal to be a girl with a boys body and the kid can then happily get on with life as an effeminate boy or a masculine girl.

Or alternatively if 1% people are in the wrong body then the body obviously has to change. Clearly some can't or won't have the surgery (and they will have to just suffer the misery and possibly be at risk of suicide). So woman is a 3D shape with human form including 2 large bumps on the chest and an elongated concavity between the legs. And man is a 3D shape with human form including 2 little bumps and an elongated convexity between the legs.

Not sure I even understand what Ive written either. Im so confused.Cant we just say be yourself, stop operating on teenagers and have safe places for XX people?

I have one female who is turning male and one male who wants to turn female and to be honest it's difficult to pretend I'm 100% supportive of everything they say.

Because of course I'm pro rights and anti discrimination but I especially do not like the push of under18s who show any sign of gender dysphoria to go into transition.

Even though I'm pretty reasonable (I think) I'd be shot down publicly so I just go straight past most their posts which is a shame.

I have no issue with calling someone a male but funnily enough don't like to call them a man. One denotes characteristics and one anatomy time. Same with female/woman.

I think if someone is so quick to shut down others then they are unlikely to see that other views are possible or acceptable.

To me transphobia means hatred not displeasure of how it is termed and some of the action that is wanted to be taken.

I'm in a similar position with a friend. I linked her to that same video and she wouldn't watch it. She told me I'm part of a cult.(GC feminists)

Thanks - that sounds useful. Will have a look

"women are adult human females. Men are adult human males. Biology says so.

#nodebate"

Should do the trick!

Put to her Rebecca Reilly Cooper's questions on sex & gender identity.

rebeccarc.com/2018/01/14/some-basic-questions-about-sex-and-gender-for-progressives/

Sorry - comments are WRONG!

Fortunately there are many women who are stating why his

Thank you, that's very helpful. I was just looking at a Twitter conversation where a male claims that same point - Richard (Dick!) Duffy
He says
But we're not discussing sex. We're discussing gender. One is only relevant in medical circumstances, the other is commonly referred to in day to day interactions. Someone's gender has no impact on the medical experiences of others based on their sex.

Say that when having this conversation, it's essential to have the same meanings for words to understand each other, sonyou need to know what she means.

If she talks about gender identity not matching the body, tell her that transadvocates believe the body has nothing to do with 'male and female'. Transadvocates say it's not necessary to have a 'female' reproductive system to be female, and that if you have a 'female' reproductive system., you aren't necessarily female. So the body has no 'sex' for your gender identity to match with.

Biological woman: keep asking her 'what do you mean?'

So when she says 'trans women are women' say 'what do you mean by women there?'

When she says 'expand the female gender to include trans people' say 'what do you mean by gender' 'what do you mean by female'?

I face this IRL soon. A highly articulate and outspoken female who I always thought of as feminist.
I know that when we're face to face and the subject arises that her skill in arguing vs my inability to think on my feet will shut down any debate and leave me looking prejudiced.
How has it come to this? When standing up for my rights against oppression is being twisted to make me look like the oppressor?

serious question TrumpsToddlerTantrums could you not show her this forum and all. the debate on. it?

Sex in a binary, based on reproductive role and immutable #nodebate

Even if she doesn't agree with you now, she'll remember these conversations further down the line, when she has more life experience herself. Good luck.