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Gender and IoT (Internet of Things) resource list

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Scribblegirl · 06/07/2018 13:50

www.ucl.ac.uk/steapp/research/projects/digital-policy-lab/g-iot-resource-list

A team at UCL has put together this resource list for victims of domestic abuse who are concerned about further abuse enabled by the Internet of Things. Spotted this on Twitter and thought it was worth sharing - I've not looked into all the resources listed but it looks like it's a useful source of info.

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arranfan · 10/07/2018 16:35

I notice so many threads popping up on the relationships board about the use of tech monitoring women in abusive relationships, and even more broadly just how these devices creep into our homes under the guise of being useful

I likewise worry about that because it's an increasingly recurrent issue. And I'm aware, IRL, of people with dubious friends/family members who scan some rooms for devices after visits.

In my family, we occasionally discuss how much easier it would be to organise care for/outings with family members who are ill (Including dementia or other cognitive issues including chemo brain) if we used locator apps, home-based web cams etc.

However, it's precisely because we can't be confident of informed consent and are alert to the potential for abuse that we don't. Altho' we know that this means some opportunities are missed.

QuarksandLeptons · 10/07/2018 05:44

Great idea Errol

Scribblegirl · 08/07/2018 16:39

Thanks Errol. Smile it’s the sort of thing I think would lend brilliantly to a campaign if we had some people behind it who really know what they’re talking about. I’m aware of the difficulties from a data protection angle but if someone was really clued in I think it could be useful.

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ErrolTheDragon · 08/07/2018 16:21

Xpost with the OP.Smile

ErrolTheDragon · 08/07/2018 16:20

I've asked MNHQ if they'd be interested in highlighting the information/issues, the mod who answered said she'd forward to the campaigns team, no promises but from where she sits this looks interesting.

If any of you have personal/professional knowledge which you might not want to share on a public thread which would assist them and lend weight it sounds as though they would be receptive.

Scribblegirl · 08/07/2018 16:19

Sorry, OP here, posted when I was really short on time but thought it would be good to flag. Wasn’t sure about posting in relationships v here but thought as an academic resource it was better suited here, I’ll take some time to repost this evening in relationships with a more digestible heading (copy/pasted on lunch hour!)

I guess the reason I shared was that I notice so many threads popping up on the relationships board about the use of tech monitoring women in abusive relationships, and even more broadly just how these devices creep into our homes under the guise of being useful when in fact with a malicious mind behind them they can be used for something very different. I agree it’s not in a form that’s very digestible for women in an abusive relationship, however, as someone who is a feminist and works loosely in this area (legal side of IoT regulation, fledgling as it is) I was surprised by the fact I hadn’t thought about the impact of this area on vulnerable people.

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LassWiADelicateAir · 08/07/2018 11:26

DH can see where I am which is useful for telling our 3 year old when I’m nearly home and fir getting the dinner on (he’s a SAHD).

But the vast majority of people coming home from work are going to be more or less in the same place at the same time most nights.

Even for those for whom that doesn't apply why does anyone's partner need to see where they are? If it is important to let the other person know what time they will be home why doesn't a simple text- "leaving work now/ on the 5.30/ train is late/ stuck in traffic" suffice?

ballsballsballs · 08/07/2018 09:38

I'd never consent to these things. A d thank God my first husband didn't have tech assistance to harass me when he was stalking me.

OrchidInTheSun · 08/07/2018 07:09

There is also a horrible thing where men scare children via baby monitors. It's very easy to hack into these things.

RiddleyW · 08/07/2018 01:35

The thread title is exactly what the compilers of the list decided to call it. Not clear to me why, because people of either sex may be either abused by or abusers of IoT.

Sorry you’re quite right, I’d only read the guardian article when I posted.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 07/07/2018 23:12

Women and children still primarily targets of tech abuse and compared to men still not as tech savvy - on the whole

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2018 20:06

The thread title is exactly what the compilers of the list decided to call it. Not clear to me why, because people of either sex may be either abused by or abusers of IoT. Maybe the 'gender' comes from the stereotype that women are uninterested in technology, that it's Man Stuff, plus that men are more likely to be coercive controllers and domestic abusers so in that sense there is a 'gender' bias?

Perfectly reasonable of the OP to replicate the title, just that it needs something that will grab the attention of the people who need it.

RiddleyW · 07/07/2018 19:46

Oh and another vote for change the title - don’t understand where gender comes in. Do you mean women and the IOT?

RiddleyW · 07/07/2018 19:44

DH can see where I am which is useful for telling our 3 year old when I’m nearly home and fir getting the dinner on (he’s a SAHD).

I can see how it could be creepy though and actually I do find it occasionally annoying/ intrusive. For me the benefits outweigh the negatives.

womanformallyknownaswoman · 07/07/2018 19:38

Something like 90% of dv victims experience tech abuse of one form or another - mostly email, text and FB harassment and stalking. About 20% experience sophisticated stalking and harassment using tech - monitoring gps on car, weaponising wifi router to monitor all traffic as well as invisible apps monitoring phone traffic. Combined with microphones in soft toys and in home where women can't afford the service to detect them and pretty soon the target is nearly sent insane.

The IOT devices add another layer of complexity to cyberstalking - because most are launched with zero security to prevent their misuse ( not a big deal to stop it if only manufacturers were forced to).

Yet again women at their most vulnerable are targeted in a tech guerilla war where there is zero help - police are inept technically and dismiss any reports unless accompanied by evidence -and the evidence is very hard to obtain unless it's simple overt harassment. Women have to change phones and laptops as a precaution but many have no funds to buy replacements.

It makes me ropable that the tech world is virtually lawless and that's a testament to the lack of appropriate competencies in those in law enforcement and in power who should have foreseen this as it was obvious decades ago.

More women get murdered by intimate partners than people killed by terrorism in UK, as in most developed countries yet who gets the funding fir cyber security ? You can be sure it's not the women who need cyber protection that get help but are instead left as "open goals" for their hostile and malicious exes. All ignored by politicians and law enforcement

Good resource but really think about it - when women have left abuse they are overwhelmed and devastated mostly - it's not a reasonable expectation for them to undertake sophisticated cyber precautions never mind get their head around a document like this.

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 07/07/2018 18:08

I will never ever consent to living in a “smart home”. I can see how it would be useful for those who are less able bodied, but it creeps the fuck out of me and i don’t understand how they’d make my life easier.

ErrolTheDragon · 07/07/2018 15:49

An Alexa-type device could be very useful indeed for people with various physical disabilities, I would think. But for the able bodied, no, I don't get it.

When we were doing the uni open day rounds with DD, one electronics dept. demoed applications they were developing for (iirc) wearables and monitors intended to help elderly or disabled people live independently- stuff like working out if they were mobile and eating etc. Which is well intentioned and again, potentially useful but...

BettyDuMonde · 07/07/2018 13:15

Alexa works for the FBI.

LassWiADelicateAir · 07/07/2018 10:27

Re Alexa- I still can't work out what the point is. There is nothing in this article which makes me think my life would be improved one iota by having Alexa.

www.pocket-lint.com/smart-home/news/amazon/138846-what-is-alexa-how-does-it-work-and-what-can-amazons-alexa-do

LangCleg · 07/07/2018 10:18

Blimey. I've just spent ages reading a lot of this stuff. I think I need time to digest then I'll go back and read it again. It's eye-opening.

GrainneWail · 07/07/2018 10:17

This is really interesting, thanks for posting the links - Dh's job is all about IoT so I've sent them on. We have an alexa at home who would be utterly useless for spying on anyone as she can't seem to understand even direct instructions, so she's on mute a lot (I fully understand how it would be a huge problem in an abusive situation though) but we've both agreed that location tracker apps are a bit creepy. I would completely wig out of dh turned up at the park on his way home if I hadn't actually told him/arranged to meet. We have differed on our house alarm though. It's monitored by an app so we both get a notification when it's turned on or off. Dh was laughing the other morning that the children had forgotten things going to school so the alarm was set and unset 3 times in about 3 minutes, but I was a bit squeamish about it.

SuperDandy · 07/07/2018 10:15

Most people are terribly naive about smart tech of this sort. I'm amazed that's anyone thinks Alexa is worth being listened in on 24/7 by a massive corporate with shady morals.

QuarksandLeptons · 07/07/2018 10:07

Here’s the recent article on the same topic from the guardian:

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/01/smart-home-devices-internet-of-things-domestic-abuse

And another in the New York Times

www.nytimes.com/2018/06/23/technology/smart-home-devices-domestic-abuse.html

QuarksandLeptons · 07/07/2018 09:59

I’m a technophile Lass, enjoy a good gadget and generally embrace them all at least trying them out for a bit. I’m pretty clued up on how things work though and use additional privacy online with various programs / specific settings.

We don’t have any camera / Alexa etc as I wasn’t able to find a way that gave us the long term safety and privacy we need.

Can totally understand your discomfort at the thought of it though. No one in our family would mind if any of us switched off the function.

QuarksandLeptons · 07/07/2018 09:51

Thanks for the article Erishkigal
It’s very dystopian. We’ve got all this amazing technology but as humans always do, it’s been used to abuse, humiliate and control others

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