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John Bercow's rant about Gender Critical women

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junebedford82 · 05/07/2018 17:27

Just saw this on P*k News
www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/07/04/speaker-john-bercow-tells-pinknews-reception-2/

Bercow
"There’s still a huge challenge in terms of the trans community. We need to up our level of standing up for the rights of trans people. We shouldn’t allow people to peddle anti-trans messages under the guise of trying to protect other people’s rights. We shouldn’t let people muddy the waters in that way. It’s just not people screaming abuse in the streets – it’s sometimes people who have access to the media and can write articulately, and are using their position to push messages which I think result in very considerable and dangerous displays of hostility to trans people. Up with that we must not put, as Churchill might have said.”

What on earth is he doing? How can a supposedly-independent speaker intervene on something in the middle of the government consultation?

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doctorcuntybollocks · 05/07/2018 19:09

It isn't possible for the trans movement to get what it wants and for women and children to still have rights and protections.

Wanderabout · 05/07/2018 19:01

It’s always interesting how the rights of women and children are positioned as being “anti-trans.”

By which they mean anti-men.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2018 18:58

To be on the other side of the question from Bercow is pretty much proof we're right, in my opinion.

I wouldn't say that at all. Any more than people saying we're wrong because our views on particular points may align with other dubious politicians (of any political party).

Still, maybe it'll give the woke dudes pause for thought.

Stilettosandan0venglove · 05/07/2018 18:55

can write articulately
saying things people can understand
Such dirty tricks!

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 05/07/2018 18:46

Top Churchill quote, Rowan.
John Bercow will never be quoted. He's not worthy to carry Churchill's bricklaying hod.

Mumsnut · 05/07/2018 18:45

To be on the other side of the question from Bercow is pretty much proof we're right, in my opinion.

TimeLady · 05/07/2018 18:40

Most Tories also think he's an odious little man.

ErrolTheDragon · 05/07/2018 18:31

Yes, he could do with that postcard.

Here's a Churchill quote for us:

You have enemies? Good. That means you’ve stood up for something, sometime in your life

OlennasWimple · 05/07/2018 18:31

We shouldn’t allow people to peddle anti-trans messages under the guise of trying to protect other people’s rights.

Of course not - who's been doing that though? Not the GC women I hang round with in RL and on SM. Hmm

terryleather · 05/07/2018 18:25

I love a Churchill quote and I don't care who knows it, my favourite being

^When you're going through hell keep going.
^
And JB is a fudd.

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 18:17

I think SwearyG from #ManFriday channels Churchill better...

here from 1:07

boatyardblues · 05/07/2018 18:16

Worthy of MLK, R0wan. Wine

lunamoth581 · 05/07/2018 18:16

It’s always interesting how the rights of women and children are positioned as being “anti-trans.”

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 18:15

SomeDyke
I believe that may have been my first Churchill quote on any social media platform ever!

Wanderabout · 05/07/2018 18:15

I notice no condemnation of the violence and bomb threats against women.

Pratchet · 05/07/2018 18:14

We are the only ones left

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 18:13

I have a dream where a large group of compassionate and intelligent grown-ups slowly walk into view, switch off twitter for a while and ask everyone to sit down quietly so this can all be sorted out.

Dljlr · 05/07/2018 18:10

I'm quite happy to be in a position whereby my own views conflict with those of John Bercow. It's actually rather reassuring :)

SoddingUnicorns · 05/07/2018 18:10

John Bercow is a odious little man.

Pratchet · 05/07/2018 18:05

I live in a dream world where Penny Mordaunt and Justine are throwing TRA off the scent while they secretly plot to end the prospect of Self ID.

Now I'm the delusional one.

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 18:00

I may send him a postcard.

SomeDyke · 05/07/2018 17:56

Hell of a day when someone has to quote Churchill to counter the Speaker of the House...........

But shows that our naughty voices are being heard, we are being disagreed with rather than ignored.

Floorplan · 05/07/2018 17:55

And thanks R0wan says it all really doesnt it

Floorplan · 05/07/2018 17:53

Thanks Betty Smile

R0wantrees · 05/07/2018 17:52

So to be clear... the Women's & Equalities Minister has stated that 'transwomen are women' is the starting point and the Speaker has declared his:

“most explicit and unequivocal statement of support” for LGBT rights and PinkNews.

In his speech, the Speaker hit out at anti-transgender voices in the media, the week the government launched a much-criticised consultation on gender recognition rules.

He said: “There’s still a huge challenge in terms of the trans community. We need to up our level of standing up for the rights of trans people.

“We shouldn’t allow people to peddle anti-trans messages under the guise of trying to protect other people’s rights. We shouldn’t let people muddy the waters in that way.

“It’s just not people screaming abuse in the streets – it’s sometimes people who have access to the media and can write articulately, and are using their position to push messages which I think result in very considerable and dangerous displays of hostility to trans people.

“Up with that we must not put, as Churchill might have said.”

Winston Churchill in the U.K. Parliament on October 13, 1943:

'So we must beware of a tyranny of opinion which tries to make only one side of a question the one which may be heard. Everyone is in favour of free speech. Hardly a day passes without its being extolled, but some people’s idea of it is that they are free to say what they like, but if anyone says anything back, that is an outrage.'