Kendall Jenna

@planetpiffle stay on top of it. Mine's eating is all over the place. Ketogenic one day, only sweets the next... Driving us around the bend. The stress of not conforming to long, lanky and blonde (again, she's 1.73 m tall but doesn't see herself how beautiful she is) is undermining her confidence.

I agree with that as well, Countess. But thought my posts were already too long so left it to other posters!

I mostly agree with Biologi and Ounce except I think it is better to relentlessly push other activities rather than trying to minimise the instagram top-down so to speak, which risks making it excitingly forbidden.

Size 6 is tiny, why is your daughter worried about her size?

Planetpiffle, I'm glad you didn't mind me summarising your views.

And just to pick up on what the last poster says, reducing instagram may not be easy but sounds like a great idea, I think. I know Jamie Oliver's banned one of his girls from posting selfies coz he thinks the look of instagram is so 'porny'. Pictures of half naked women are nothing new but this generation of teen girls is almost expected to join in as part of their everyday lives.

Get her an interest and reduce her instagram usage.
I am sorry but we are just setting teen girls up to fail if we allow them on these sites.
Most people don’t ressemble models so to be reminded all the time is bound to affect self esteem.
You can frame a feminist debate but kendells job is to sell stuff and herself. That’s it.

Isn’t Kendall Jenner the only one of them who hasn’t had work done?

She’s one of those freakishly blessed people, genetically.

Can you imagine what Kylie will look like in ten years/20 years having had that much surgery at such a young age? Sad, really.

Pulled these out of the link for those not inclined to read it. Tammie Jo is too COOL to miss ❤️

Caitlin Moran’s sit com is amazing, Della is one of my favourite tv characters of all time. It’s pretty sweary though!

I think it’s really important to reinforce how valued your daughter is for who she is as a person and the skills she is developing. For example, people often comment on my daughters hair, so I say stuff like, ‘thanks! It’s almost as unusual as her sense of humour! When she grows up, she want to go to be a mini cab driver’ etc etc.

And make sure she sees real adult female bodies. Take her to the local pool for the ladies session, or the yoga class popular with retired women, and fill her world with marvellous women writers, women artists, women activists, women scientists.

My littlest is only 6 (the other two are 11 and 18) but her current favourite crush is Tammie Jo Shults

heavy.com/news/2018/04/tammie-jo-shults-pilot-southwest-flight-1380-engine-hero/

The glossy Jenner types will always be there, so all we can really do is provide a counterweight.

Oh! And be kind to ourselves. So much of what we learn is modelled for us by our parents, we just don’t really notice until we’re adults.

Like the Ancient Greece observation, thanks

It's also a big problem that this kind of "liberation" is only available to young women who look a certain way.

If one is older of has fat rolls or less perky breasts, they are certainly not allowed to claim their sexuality and flaunt it.

I guess the Op was just looking for advice on how to explain to her teenage daughter why the world is full of pictures of practically naked young girls, in a way that will make her daughter feel ok about herself?

I don't see what the problem is though? She is literally wearing a bikini. From how you described it I thought she'd be naked

I'm sorry that your daughter and many others might feel insecure seeing this photo. But what is the solution to this? To tell her that it isn't ok to post a photo of herself in a bikini?

The Kardashian Jenners spend an incredible amount of money on their appearance, in order to make an incredible amount of money. (Look at pics of young Kylie and Kendall, they're normal humans! Btw, even Kendall hasn't escaped people cussing her looks. When she started modelling, people insinuated she only got jobs coz she's so famous. Did you hear about Lexi something and Binx Walton leaving snide comments on her instagram?) You can tell your daughter that in real life perfect is impossible.

Looking 'good' and being provocative is their living. Looking good in a male dominated society often boils down to looking sexually attractive to men. Women can wear what they want but our thoughts are heavily influenced.

People might look more at the picture of a naked woman because we have internalized the male gaze. We've learned to look at bodies as a straight male would.

People from other societies may see bodies differenltly. For example, there were far more male nudes in ancient Greece and Rome, and perhaps if you could find a society that hasn't been heavily influenced by western media (like, idk, the masai or something) they would value other aspects of appearance. Imho

Planet I suspect it's a taught reaction. After all from a baby you here "what a petty girl" whereas boys might be strong or lively. You may also be unconsciously comparing yourself to the woman. But I couldn't prove it.

You are very welcome Stilettos

Planet I would say if your daughter is a teenager then the video is suitable.

And now I'm off to Ibiza for a fun filled week. xx

placemats thanks for introducing me to Jean Kilbourne. I've just watched the first video and thought it was great.

No chance of wearing that style of bikini bottom without spending far too much time and money on having your pubic hair removed. Adding yet another chore to the job of being patriarchy compliant before hitting the beach.

Or teach her that being judgemental and slating others to make yourself feel better is vile.

I have a teen daughter, measuring 1.73m who wears a size 40. Her legs are slim and strong. She believes she is fat and unattractive and nothing we say can change her opinion. She is aware of Photoshop and Instagram and is quick to say everyone should live their life as they see fit but seems incapable of applying that to herself. She has probably watched every video out there on self-confidence etc. There is more at play in her case, I should add, including social awkwardness because she is a brain which has given rise to the beginning of an eating disorder for which she is seeing someone. It is an uphill struggle though.

If it was just about women being allowed to do what they want, and if we assume that there are no differences in male and female brains, then we would see that men would also be flaunting their stuff and newspapers would be reporting on men's bodies and fashion and make up and cosmetic surgery to the same degree as they do for women.

So the difference in focus between male and female suggests that patriarchical control still exists and is driven by sex, even if it's dressed up as freedom of choice

And the growth in images of unreaslitic male bodies and male grooming is probably driven by a limited set of toffs who want to extract money from insecure men as well as women

Smash the patriarchy and capitalism? I thought one was meant to grow up and out of that kind of thinking