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A man raped me, another tried to. They were not animals. They were men

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UglyCathKidstonBag · 05/07/2018 08:49

What an incredibly brave piece from Amy Remeikis in The Guardian today

“A friend told me it’s because he thought they were not men. That they were animals. “How do you even begin to reason with an animal like that?”

But he’s wrong. They are men.

They are sons and brothers, and fathers and boyfriends and husbands and friends and co-workers and the guys around you in the cafe.”

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jul/05/a-man-raped-me-another-tried-to-they-were-not-animals-they-were-men

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waterlego6064 · 05/07/2018 13:38

Way to prove the point sawdust

sawdustformypony · 05/07/2018 13:18

Are you mixing men up with the Borg by any chance ?

UglyCathKidstonBag · 05/07/2018 13:16

Some men don’t want to hear it, they just don’t. They don’t want to hear what other members of their sex are up to. They are complicit.

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womanformallyknownaswoman · 05/07/2018 11:29

Yep, many men don't like the reality that some of them are brutes - animal-like.

I'm not sure about the author's distinction tbh because I believe there are some men who are nearer apes than human - I get her point in not making them out to be bogeymen - however until more men get on board with there are some guys who like trashing women and their spaces, that get off on the power and control they exert - until more men acknowledge that I'm unsure what change will occur - because men and teen-boys only listen to other men and the key to change is other men stepping up and challenging these guys.

sawdustformypony · 05/07/2018 11:14

OK

dragongirlx · 05/07/2018 10:32

that article is so brave but it made me so sad
We are still being blamed for men's actions. They decide to attack us to sexually assault us, to rape us but somehow its our fault.

and then when we try to talk about rape culture or toxic masculinity we hear Not All Men

Yes not all men but too many fucking women
Too many women are attacked
Too many women are groped
Too many women are raped

but not all men
Not all men challenge rape jokes and rape culture
not all men stand up for women
not all men challenge steroptypes
not all men challenge the assumption that its women's fault when they are attacked.

But a lot of men have there feelings hurt when women talk about this
they try to derail by saying other women are worse off, that it happens to men too and of course not all men. Or if they do they act like they should get a bloody medal for it

I for one am sick of hearing these responses from men. Support should be a given thing with no expectation of a reward. So if your a man and you want to use not all men or any other of these derailing tactics then don't talk to me because I no longer care

Lottapianos · 05/07/2018 09:24

A very brave article. Sickening stuff but people absolutely need to hear it.

UpstartCrow · 05/07/2018 08:55

''These toxic behaviours don’t manifest one day out of nowhere. They are cultivated.”''

They are men, not monsters

www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2018/jun/19/eurydice-dixon-death-male-rage-australia-women-men-attitudes

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