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Trans actors are assuming Scarlet Johansson's gender identity

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leyat · 05/07/2018 01:07

There's been a huge outcry regarding Scarlet Johansson playing a woman who has been retroactively transed (because that is apparently okay); the issue is that the character she will be playing is being understood as a transman, and so trans activists, including many trans actors, have said SJ should not play this part, and that only a trans person should play the role. The thing is they want to play all sorts of roles, so they want all the trans roles but others too. That is the first double standard. The second is that they are all assuming her gender identity, meaning either that they are basing this on her appearance or they think that she doesn't have the right to privacy regarding gender identity that trans people claim and thus because she hasn't come out as trans that means that she isn't.

All kinds of knots going on there....

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AHometownGypsy · 05/07/2018 02:18

What on earth?? I'm half asleep, perhaps it will make more sense in the morning Confused doubt it though

GardenGeek · 05/07/2018 02:14

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Agerbilatemycardigan · 05/07/2018 02:04

Ah the irony. They're up in arms because a biological woman is playing a trans character and they think she's appropriating them. Yet they are more than happy to appropriate womanhood and everyone has to just suck that up and accept it.

By their definition, you can only act a part if you've lived it yourself.

The film world's going to look a bit threadbare isn't it?

I feel a migraine coming on.

TinyRick · 05/07/2018 01:55

If I was an actor nowadays, I wouldn't touch trans roles/films with a 10ft barge pole.

Saying that, this is not a trans role and they are making themselves look pretty stupid.

GardenGeek · 05/07/2018 01:47

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Battleax · 05/07/2018 01:45

Don’t bring logic into it Cat. It upsets them.

CatOwned · 05/07/2018 01:44

Sounds as trans as Mulan... that is to say, not trans at all.

Surely there's a difference to crossdressing for the sake of it and doing so because that is the only way to achieve an objective?

thewitchofwentworth · 05/07/2018 01:33

She liked to be called Mr Gill while running a criminal enterprise in the 1970s and tussling with the mob. Gee I wonder why...

Battleax · 05/07/2018 01:33

Like they did with the eunuchs of antiquity?

They’re making this up as they go along.

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leyat · 05/07/2018 01:30

They are retroactively transing her because she apparently liked to be called 'Mr', and look what happened, just like that, every headline is about how SJ is playing a transman and how wrong it is. That is the power they have.

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Battleax · 05/07/2018 01:28

Oh this isnthem wanting the Lesbians again 🙄

No you can’t have the lesbians, TRA people, they’re ours. Next?

thewitchofwentworth · 05/07/2018 01:25

Here is the official description of the movie,

"Rub & Tug" is based on the life of 1970’s Pittsburgh crime kingpin Jean Marie Gill, a woman who masqueraded as a man in order to run a massage parlor and prostitution business. She also ran a an anabolic steroids ring for NFL team the Pittsburgh Steelers, and used her connections in the gay community to circumvent the mob. The film will also focus on Gill’s fiery romance with her girlfriend Cynthia.

So Scarlett is not playing a trans character and this whole upset is because the character doesn't match someone trans headcanon of a butch lesbian.

Battleax · 05/07/2018 01:09

My head hurts.

They won’t be happy until we’ve put our hands up and said “Take whatever you like.”