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Your comments for Penny Mordaunt

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gendercritter · 04/07/2018 20:01

I just read on another thread that Justine is meeting with Penny Mordaunt soon.

In Justine's words: 'You should also know that I’m due to meet soon with Penny Mordaunt to discuss “any ideas you may have on the women and equalities agenda’' and I will of course reflect the strong opinion of many Mumsnetters wrt to this issue and ask her to do a webchat too.'

I thought this was worth highlighting so people can leave comments here for @justinemumsnet to mull over and raise with Penny. Perhaps, Justine, you could print them all off and hand them over to her when you see her.

Thank you.

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Pratchet · 05/07/2018 04:03

Snappity: transgenderism is deeply homophobic. It's horrific the abuse lesbians get for their same sex attraction. This is one example of the dreadful homophobia one can find among transactivists. There are so many more.

Your comments for Penny Mordaunt
Pratchet · 05/07/2018 04:00

Snappity: trans third spaces can be in addition to natal sex spaces. Tbh there is no reason those people cannot use men's facilities, is there? This problem is one created by transactivists. If female people 'pass' as men, there is no reason for them to use female spaces. They are no danger to men, and men are not complaining. There is no campaign by men for their right to same sex spaces. We should keep women's spaces for bio sex, and either add a third mixed sex space or turn the men's into mixed sex. If the men campaign against (they aren't at all right now) one could rethink.

Snappity · 05/07/2018 03:56

Preponderance of opinion matters.

If you think back through history you will see that "preponderance of opinion" has a habit of taking society some terrible places. For example, the majority believed that homosexuality was wrong which led to the arrest and suicide of Alan Turing, one of the great tragedies of the 20th Century.

miri1985 · 05/07/2018 03:56

I appreciated Penny Mordaunt signing during her speech in commons today so I would ask:

A lot of the focus seems to be making the process less onerous for trans people, why are processes for vulnerable people e.g. PIP made more onerous time and time again when people may have to apply multiple times during their lifetimes versus once for a GRC?

Should an historical document such as a birth cert be easily changed and if so should people who apply for deed polls or even get married and change surname be able to get a birth cert in their new name?

Snappity · 05/07/2018 03:52

There is a practical purpose to segregating humans by natal sex.

If you segregate on "natal sex" then people (trans men) with beards, penises and testosterone are going to be in women's spaces. That is not practical.

SPOFS · 05/07/2018 02:56

What is the advantage of segregating people via gender instead of biological sex? There is a practical purpose to segregating humans by natal sex. I cannot see any good reason to separate based on the subjective notion of gender. You may as well segregate on music type, I think.

Ereshkigal · 05/07/2018 01:18

Well said Battleax.

Battleax · 05/07/2018 01:06

Glibly parroting that “transwomen are women” isn’t good enough. It isn’t a starting point, it’s a shutdown.

Please remember, Ms Mordaunt, that you are an elected representative and a Minister and as such should be representing your constituents and adequately addressing your portfolio.

Preponderance of opinion matters.

Amalfimamma · 05/07/2018 00:27

I would like to ask her why and when she decided to sell women down the river? What particular point in her life did she decide to bow down to misogynists and give a big FY to women?

BewitchedBotheredandBewildered · 05/07/2018 00:24

Hmm.
I clicked on this thinking I had something to say, not knowing that it was suggestions for Justine.

What I would say to Ms Mordaunt is not words I would put in someone elses mouth and would be very rude and involve some swearing.

So I will just say good luck Justine, and read the sensible, polite suggestions and some of the recent comments on threads about this subject.

It's all there in blazing, brilliant, technicolor.

LadyLance · 05/07/2018 00:14

Do you think someone who has transitioned as an adult can truly understand a female lived experience?

Would you trust someone who has lived the majority of their life as a man to advocate for your needs correctly?

Do you understand why some women may be uncomfortable sharing spaces with people with an XY chromosome and a penis?

Do you not think crime, health and employment statistics may become skewed if we include cis and trans people in the same group with no separation?

Are you comfortable with the idea of young children being given untested drugs to delay puberty and being pushed down a road that leads to transitioning, with all that involves?

OvaHere · 04/07/2018 23:41

What is your definition of the the word woman that includes women, anyone who identifies as a woman but excludes men?

scotsheather · 04/07/2018 23:27

As bad as the timing was I absolutely welcome the announcement against gay cure therapy. So credit where its due. The 'consultation' on gender reads like a scripted question and answer. Its not about this and we aren't interested in that, pre-empting our questions effectively.

R0wantrees · 04/07/2018 23:18

I would like to ask Penny Mordant, 'when you say trans women are women' what exactly do you mean by that?

LumpySpacedPrincess · 04/07/2018 20:12

We are doing so little to challenge sexists stereotypes and so much to enforce them, why is this? Why are the government promoting anti scientific arguments that are easily disproved? They haven't shown much concern for other vulnerable groups, say disabled people who have to fill in form after form to receive basic income if they are lucky.

But trans people seem to be a higher priority. Women and girls lose safe spaces without impact assessments, government documents use gobbledigook and anti scientific language, no impact assessments are carried out when changes are made that affect vulnerable groups.

Why? Why is all of this being adopted so fast when so much is founded on internal beliefs and ideology? We are doing so little for disabled people who demonstrably need help. We are doing nothing to challenge harmful sexist stereotypes. But we are throwing all our weight behind an ideology that states men can be women and lady brains exist.