Please can someone explain why the GRC process needs to be simpler?

It’s instructive to compare the way trans demands for removal of medical gateways have been received to the reception of women’s demands for the removal of the two medical gateways they must pass to access legal abortion.
All these things tell us so much about who matters and who doesn’t, don’t they

No mammal can change their biological sex. People can change their secondary sexual characteristics. But you need drugs and surgery to do that, and taking hormones does not mean you change your biological sex.

Fifty years ago, the response to those whose behaviour did not for the stereotypes attached to their body were told to change their behaviour.
Now, the response to such people is change your bodies.
Neither response really floats my boat, but if you held a gun to my head and made me choose. I’d probably plump for the former.
There is another way of course - but that would involve recognising the stereotypes for the junk that they are. Far too frightening.

Exactly, Nana. It might be superficially progressive but dig a bit and it is clear it's a repressive, backward looking movement.

The reason for that is that trans ideology is not progressive. It supports repressive gender stereotypes, in fact without those could not exist.

Iran is a good example of a socially conservative country. Homosexuality is illegal. But someone can change sex and go from it being illegal for them to have sex with men to the exact opposite.

Are you really holding up Iran as a positive example?

And while we are at it, Malta, which is the only country in the EU to completely ban abortions. Ireland has some of the most restrictive abortion laws too (soon to be changed but this has been very slow progress). And Argentina has very restrictive abortion laws too. Is it a coincidence that (with the exception of Canada), all the countries praised by TRA for their stance on self ID have seriously poor records for women's (you know, the ones who can get pregnant) reproductive rights.

I'd be wary of any organisation that considers Iran, Ireland, Malta and Argentina as countries to look to for genuinely progressive policies.

It's a nonsense and should be repealed. Humans cannot change their biological sex and we should not be telling children that it is possible.

Present as whatever gender you like but don't pretend that you have actually changed your biological sex.

Life for some people is complicated. The law should and does recognise that the world is complicated - but it is overly bureaucratic in doing so and that needs to be simplified.

Tripe.

I can’t walk unaided, but I’ll happily put with the endless bureaucracy involved in proving it because the alternative- able bodied people appropriating disabled people’s facilities via self ID - is unacceptable. Not only unacceptable to me personally, but unacceptable in a civilised society.

Some people are not so fortunate. Their genitals might not match their chrosomes

Then they are intersex. Not trans. They cannot change from 1 sex to the other as they are both. Intersex peoole are not proof that sex change in humans is possible.

Their brain might be female in orientation but their genitals male.

There is no proof that the brain is sexed. In fact a 2017 study concluded that if the researchers were given a random brain to sex it would be impossible.
I can get you the details of that study if you want.

Life for some people is complicated. The law should and does recognise that the world is complicated - but it is overly bureaucratic in doing so and that needs to be simplified.

As I have said previously why should the law be able to change a biological reality it had no hand in deciding?

Unless every aspect of a human can change from male to female or vice versa then a person is not changing sex are they?

I guess that you are in the fortunate position that all your attributes of sex are consistent? Some people are not so fortunate. Their genitals might not match their chrosomes. Their chromosomes might be complex, even mosaic. Their brain might be female in orientation but their genitals male. They might have male secondary characteristics but female primary sexual characteristics - or vice versa. Their hormones might be put of step - or complicated.

That's before we start adding on medical treatments.

Life for some people is complicated. The law should and does recognise that the world is complicated - but it is overly bureaucratic in doing so and that needs to be simplified.

Sadly I think that’s pretty accurate nan.

Well those doctors are career building. They see or think they see which way the wind is blowing and hope to profit from the ignorance and stupidity of the general populace.
On current evidence, probably quite sound planning on their part,

Humans can and do change biological sex. They don't change chromosomal sex but that is merely one attribute of biological sex.

Its not don't its can't change their chromosomal sex.

Unless every aspect of a human can change from male to female or vice versa then a person is not changing sex are they?

I can dye my hair blonde so that I appear to be a blonde but genetically I am a brunette. That will always be the reality....until I go grey. Then the reality will be grey hair.

Iran is a good example of a socially conservative country. Homosexuality is illegal. But someone can change sex and go from it being illegal for them to have sex with men to the exact opposite

Still 2 biological males having sex though isnt it? The legal recognition of a change in sex means so on paper. That does not make it a bioligical reality.

Should homosexuals be forced to live as "females" in order not to be murdered?
Is the legal deffinition helping to create acceptance and tolerance or is it just promoting deceit and fear to fit in with a collective ideal/religion?

There is no probably about it. Humans cannot change their biological sex.

Humans can and do change biological sex. They don't change chromosomal sex but that is merely one attribute of biological sex.

It’s wilful stupidity Nan. Even a minority of doctors are joining in.

And surely that depends on context? If one is writing a biology text then changing sex is probably not possible, but if one is talking about legal rights then absolutely sex can be changed

There is no probably about it. Humans cannot change their biological sex.
Unless I missed that medical breakthrough?

Thats why i think it is important to keep the word sex to mean and only mean biological reality.
You are a biological sex 4 weeks after conception. The law does not even recognise you as a living human therefore there are no legal rights. So why should the law be used to change something that it cannot control and was not decided by any legislation originally?

I have to say that the education system in this country has something to answer for in all this. No one who had the basic but solid grounding in the sciences that I was lucky enough to have could fall for this rubbish.
Thank god my kids are getting the same.

It’s an embarrassingly shoddy piece of law making whichever side of the fence you’re on; It repeatedly conflates sex and gender then has a wooly stab at legislating a kind of transubstantiation into existence.

It needs to be repealed.

No, sex isn't defined by chromosomes. That doesn't match real world experience

Of course it is. There is no “real world experience” more solid than science.

We know that some people feel distressed by their biological sex, we get that. But sex is biology.

Jesus Christ. You actually believe this stuff don’t you?
Sex is defined by your chromosomes. The expectations you - you, not me, because I don’t bother with this shit and don’t plan to start - attach to each sex are the issue here. Do what you like with those but don’t deman I buy in. I don’t believe in them anymore than I believe in god, unicorns or the international Jewish conspiracy.

Sex is defined by your chromosomes, and pesky little transphobes that they are, they can’t be changed.

No, sex isn't defined by chromosomes. That doesn't match real world experience.

I suppose the answer rests on what your definition of sex is.
Is it a biological reality present in human genetics or is it a word that is only recognised legally therefore can be changed?

And surely that depends on context? If one is writing a biology text then changing sex is probably not possible, but if one is talking about legal rights then absolutely sex can be changed.

Iran is a good example of a socially conservative country. Homosexuality is illegal. But someone can change sex and go from it being illegal for them to have sex with men to the exact opposite.

Sex is defined by your chromosomes, and pesky little transphobes that they are, they can’t be changed.
Parliament could, I suppose, pass a law saying that the moon is made of free cheese (and given the shower in there right now, perhaps they will). Wouldn’t make it true.

You think it's possible to change sex, Snappity? Really?

Yes. Absolutely.

I suppose the answer rests on what your definition of sex is.
Is it a biological reality present in human genetics or is it a word that is only recognised legally therefore can be changed?