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Why do trans folk need 'extra' rights?

139 replies

lurker33 · 04/07/2018 13:37

Imagine a UK without the GRC, and the same equality act as we have now.

Why would trans folk need extra 'rights' over those that the equality act provided?

What rights do trans folk require that they wouldn't already have?

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KimCheesePickle · 04/07/2018 14:26

They need the right to validation of what they are not.

AncientLights · 04/07/2018 14:25

TBH, I have no idea what rights I, or any of us, have. Whoever we are. I vaguely know there are rights around not being held by the police for longer than ? hours without being charged. Never having been arrested (so far) I haven't tested that. So I am aware of 'negative' rights, like not being subjected to cruel or inhuman treatment by the authorities. But what other, positive, rights do I have? I don't have a right to a bank account. Commercial ventures don't have to provide me with anything as far as I know. Trans people are in with the rest of us in this, no more, no less.

Over50 · 04/07/2018 14:23

Dr Dawn on Ch5 today, pointed out that the NHS clinics offering emotional support are under funded.

I would be happy for the NHS to offer extra MH support to the trans community over physical changes NHS support like surgery.

I would prefer NHS extra funds to be given to a stroke survivor to have speech therapy or womb trans plants funds to be given to biological women.

OlennasWimple · 04/07/2018 14:20

in order to get PIP payments it literally couldn't be more stressful or probing.

That section of the GRA consultation made me really cross - I've filled out dozens of forms that have been lengthy, intrusive and contained personal information that has been sent to a panel of people who will never meet me but who get to make decisions about me that will have far reaching consequences Angry

OlennasWimple · 04/07/2018 14:17

The right to protection against discrimination because of being trans (and when undergoing transition) is an important additional right. No-one should be refused a bank account because they are trans, or not allowed to rent a flat because they are trans, for example. These rights exist and are unique to trans people (though everyone is protected from discrimination where someone erroneously believes that they are trans)

Beyond that....I can't think of any, and have never heard anyone articulate anything extra that can genuinely be justified (I'm ignoring the "instant facial hair removal on the NHS" demands, and the new one of "this form is too onerous for me to complete" as utter entitlement)

Floorplan · 04/07/2018 14:16

Good point over 50, and, as others have pointed out, in order to get PIP payments it literally couldn't be more stressful or probing. Why shouldn't they have a bit of form filling. Only yesterday I had to give all my financial details for my daughter's uni loan approval.

Janie143 · 04/07/2018 14:14

I can't see that there are any rights they don't already have now that same sex marriage is legal All EA groups have the same protections from discrimination However sex segregation which are a proprotionate means to achieve a ligitimate aim are perceived as discrimination if people who have transitioned into that swx class aren't included

Over50 · 04/07/2018 14:04

I would like to know why one group of people feel entitled to more rights than other protected characteristics.

Listening to the TRAs on Ch5 Right stuff earlier, I thought to myself have these people filled in s school application, a SEND form a DWP or tax form? All upsetting and hard work.

lurker33 · 04/07/2018 13:54

So they can prove to themselves they are now that sex class no matter what body they have

I don't think validation is a good reason to demand that right (which, I'm sure, is the point you are making).

IMO validation is a poor reason to ask for a particular right.

Can anyone give me an example of a right or rights that trans folk wouldn't already have that they actually need?

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Janie143 · 04/07/2018 13:51

Cos it says so on their passport, birth certificate etc ( if they bother to get those changed at all, why would they need to?)

Janie143 · 04/07/2018 13:49

So they can prove to themselves they are now that sex class no matter what body they have

lurker33 · 04/07/2018 13:49

The right to use of sex segregated spaces provided for the opposite sex that they were observed to have at birth

Why do they need that as a right?

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Janie143 · 04/07/2018 13:44

The right to use of sex segregated spaces provided for the opposite sex tohat they were observed to have at birth

AncientLights · 04/07/2018 13:41

That's one of the question they can never answer.