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I've now seen one of these violent "women".

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CAAKE · 02/07/2018 08:21

I haven't posted here in a while (I generally can't cope or keep up but am a constant lurker) but I shit you not FWR friends, this all happened right in front of me and I need to get it off my chest.

We have been at a big summer festival this weekend (8,000 + people). We were leaving the festival last night on foot (with kids in tow) and we heard shouting ahead and came across the following scene.

A young couple, slightly tipsy but not what I'd call drunk were pinned to a wall by a group of security guards. The woman was crying and screaming "we're not transphobic! we're not, we're not!". The young man pointed at the one security guard standing to the side and said "that person shoved me and grabbed my throat!".

This security guard then lunged forward trying to get at the young man and shouted "I heard it! I heard what you said! I AM A FUCKING WOMAN!!!"

The young woman cried and screamed, the security guards shouted aggressively some more, mostly telling the young woman to be quiet, and the couple were told that they were being detained until the police arrived!

After some discussion it seems that the young man said something that the security guard who is (very obviously) a transwoman deemed to be transphobic. The transwoman became enraged and shoved the man and grabbed his throat then called for other members of the security guard team to come and "detain" the couple.

The young couple finally calmed down enough to diffuse the situation with the help of a group of people (all older women - yay them!) who saw the original incident happen and who agreed to walk the couple away from the scene and see them home.

The whole thing was outrageous from start to finish! I'm not condoning the transphobia, I'm sure the young man was being a prize dick, but the behaviour of this transwoman was so physically and verbally aggressive it was frightening.

Surely a key skill involved in being in a security guard at a festival is calming and dispersing such situations, moving people along, keeping them safe and seeing them home rather than shoving, attempting to choke and shouting abuse at them?

All this person achieved last night was to create a grand scene where they were exposed as being a violent, aggressive, abusive snowflake in front of a crowd of many people. This behaviour directly echoed what we so often see online from certain members of the trans community. I am astounded to have witnessed it in a form so complete IRL.

I just feel so upset for everyone who was there, but especially for the young woman who was caught in this through no apparent fault of her own (aside from having a mouthy drunk idiot for a boyfriend). She thought she was going to be arrested and had to endure being physically restrained, shouted at and repeatedly told to be quiet when all she was expressing was fear. That the wider group of security guards (all men, of course) were prepared to escalate the situation on behalf of their aggressive colleague was shocking and very upsetting to witness.

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Pratchet · 03/07/2018 23:35

Thanks for the update. Might have been as little as saying something like 'alright geezer'. Already a case has been to court for exactly that.

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CAAKE · 03/07/2018 23:17

An update -

Apparently the security guard (the transwoman) has filed a complaint saying they were assaulted and that what happened on Sunday was a hate crime.

I am afraid that didn’t see the first part of the incident so I’m sitting here wondering exactly how what happened might have justified, or been worse than, the bit where they grabbed the young man by the throat and shouted in his face.

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LighthouseSouth · 03/07/2018 19:23

good for you OP. hopefully other people have spoken up too.

Coyoacan · 03/07/2018 03:38

Well done, OP.

smashyourglasses · 03/07/2018 02:14

They really are the scariest weirdos going Shock

Pratchet · 03/07/2018 02:04

Well done cake.

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CAAKE · 03/07/2018 00:55

I've just now emailed a detailed account to the festival organisers and asked them to take it up with the security company.

The blind rage was indeed frightening Italian. I'm still feeling unsettled today.

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ChattyLion · 02/07/2018 23:17

Absolutely I would report- both to the festival organisers who employed the company that employed this person and to the police. Employed security guards can’t be kicking off at the public like that.

Italiangreyhound · 02/07/2018 22:44

OP can you anonymously report this. It's fucking frightening.

These are the kind of things we need to tell the consultation.

twitter.com/AskNic/status/1013800576151425024

SpareRibFem · 02/07/2018 17:46

There's usually a massive difference between security guards doing a regular job for a company and temporary security hired for events. The latter is much more likely to be someone that's currently unemployed and taken on an ad hoc basis that may have no previous experience.

Mossandclover · 02/07/2018 11:24

That was assault. The police should definitely have been called and the security guard arrested. Shock

LighthouseSouth · 02/07/2018 11:21

oh dear
I would report it OP but not sure you will get anywhere

Security guards - I don't know, from long time clubbing, running events etc I would certainly say my experience was more positive than others have described here.

but what you've said here isn't even someone jumping in and escalating an already existing fight. It's someone using violence after a personal insult or possible overhead comment. They actually created violence themselves so hopefully a chance, with witnesses, that it will be taken seriously.

MistressDeeCee · 02/07/2018 11:20

DickTerfin is 100% spot on re these aggressive wannabe police, security types. They just love a chance to harass and intimidate festival.goers, and the staff behind the bar who have to put up with their menacing patrolling and arrogance.

I really do hope a complaint is made to the festival.organisers. They may take it on board as they hate adverse publicity.

I'd contact whoever licences the festival too/local authority where festival took place

SisyphusWasGenderCritical · 02/07/2018 11:19

Having worked with many security guards, or as they used to be known, 'bouncers', I will agree that many of them are violent, mentally unstable and often downright dangerous. And frequently exchanged stories about who they kicked the shit out of/punched/slapped. Just because they might decide they they are now a woman would not make them any less violent.

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 02/07/2018 11:18

Security guard

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 02/07/2018 11:17

It doesn’t surprise me at all that this was a security job. I’ve never encountered one that wasn’t a thick headed knuckle dragger itching for an excuse to floor someone.

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CAAKE · 02/07/2018 11:11

Wow. You learn something new every day. I haven't had anything much to do with security guards in the past, but after last night I'm not surprised to read what pp have to say here.

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Bespin · 02/07/2018 10:54

This is really unprofessional behaviour no matter what the insiting cause was I would expect better from anyone in that field and I hope. They are dieplined for this being transgender is not an excuse to suddenly not do your job and in this case you have to be able to respond to things like this in a professional. Manner though as is stated in the thread there are lots of instances where this does not happen

SecureNC · 02/07/2018 10:48

DS is a security guard. He is often told part of his remit is to "give cunts a kicking" as often as he "sees fit", and to "scare birds shitless".

JaneJeffer · 02/07/2018 10:31

I've come across plenty of power-hungry security guards in my lifetime. As pp said this type of work attracts them. If it wasn't about them being trans it would be something else. I've seen men being beaten up for doing absolutely nothing.

Racecardriver · 02/07/2018 10:31

Have you written to the festival organisers to complain?

WhatTheWatersShowedMe · 02/07/2018 10:30

Security guard is a job that is quite popular with serial killers. Just saying.

AngryAttackKittens · 02/07/2018 10:28

I'd report this. Reports coming from a witness rather than the victim might actually be taken more seriously since they can't claim you did anything to provoke the situation.

DickTERFin · 02/07/2018 10:28

I worked in event staffing years ago and had to deal with security companies. Let me tell you they are riddled with psychopathic nut jobs. The ratio of cluster B personalities, from the executives down to the grunts, compared to other businesses, is astonishing. I left because one of the managers attempted to rape me and everyone dismissed it as “blokeish banter” and “a joke”.

Security guard is one of those jobs where if someone actively wants to be one they should never be allowed to be one.

It doesn’t surprise me that they all piled in, in “defense” of their trans collegue. It’s not that they are terribly woke and supporting their collegue, it’s that they love any excuse for a violent confrontation - trust me, I heard them in the staff rooms, they would actively pray for things to kick off to give them an excuse to rough someone up.

Being mortally wounded over being misgendered is an absolute gift for anyone with this kind of mindset. It is a blatant DARVO and they love that they are seeming untouchable for it. We see it though.

ShotsFired · 02/07/2018 10:17

If there is footage, there may be something HD enough to clock his SIA reg (which I think all security types now have to have).

Either way, you should be able to find out from the festival which firm they were using and go back to SIA with this info/any footage anyway. I believe they are doing quite a lot to stamp out exactly this sort of behaviour (and reputation as thugs for hire!).

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