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Sunday politics now

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Pratchet · 01/07/2018 11:31

Manfriday

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heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 14:36

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But the interview segment in particular completely silenced the opinions of the women who have a problem with self-ID and the extremes of trans ideology.

Both Jane and Ben contributed variations of: "Shut up you hysterical ladies." They did not engage critically with female dissenters, or consider their feelings. They basically told women to stop engaging their minds, and blindly submit to these changes.

I've got a big problem with that.

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Pratchet · 01/07/2018 14:32

Have no time for Jane Fae due to h** opinion that many murders of women are boring and 'domestic violence gone wrong'. What a noxious human being.

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dinosaursandtea · 01/07/2018 14:24

I think it was a great interview. Have a lot of time for Jane Fae in particular and Pink News have championed trans rights a lot in the past.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 14:15

Not sure about these issues at all, and happy to be corrected if I am wrong, but Twitter seems to inform me that it was Benjamin Cohen on Sunday Politics (the CEO of Pink News, no less) twitter.com/benjamincohen
There is a separate account for a chappie called Benjamin Butterworth (journalist who contributes to Pink News) twitter.com/benjaminbutter

R0wantrees · 01/07/2018 13:57

Wasn't there a recent wedding? I have a memory of someone from PN marrying their partner who was involved with the NHS ... (not a very clear memory)

Procrastinator1 · 01/07/2018 13:55

There is a Ben Cohen listed as a journalist for Pink News. His photo doesn't look like the person from Pink News on the Sunday Politics. That person does look like the photo of Benjamin Butterworth from Pink News. Has Butterworth changed his name, did the BBC make a mistake or is he identifying as Cohen?

R0wantrees · 01/07/2018 13:32

Im fairly sure that Jane Fae's comment after the first ManFriday was that it took so much for trans women to go swimming, how important this was and that ManFriday's actions would be detrimental to the progress made (eg Swim England /Hampstead Pools] self-id policies)

ScarletBegonias · 01/07/2018 13:32

It's apparent from Twitter that TRAs are complaining to the BBC about 'transphobic bigots' being given airtime on the Sunday Politics - so I guess it makes sense for the BBC to get complaints from the GC side too.

ClosdesMouches · 01/07/2018 13:27

YY heresy. I don't know either Butterworth or Cohen but the name onscreen during the broadcast was definitely 'Benjamin Cohen'.

Abouttoblow · 01/07/2018 13:17

Why roll out that idiot from PN?

And who knew that trans people don't want to go swimming?

Nothing to worry about re changing rooms then.

That's a relief! We were all worried about nothing.

FFS!!!!!

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 13:13

Is this the same guy? I thought the Pink News chap on Sunday Politics just now is Benjamin Cohen? (Or sorry, did I just assume their gender?)

Popchyk · 01/07/2018 13:10

Original thread about Benjamin's transracial identity.

Mumsnet link

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 13:08

Lol! Pratchet
I hear completely that it was better than nothing, and I am grateful they've at least covered it. But I genuinely think they could've done much better with the interview segment. Also, I suspect they will get complaints from trans activists for even daring to feature ManFriday, so I might as well let my licence-fee-paying female viewpoint be heard.

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 13:06

The same white bloke who pretended to be black in order to take up a BAME spot at a conference?

This. Tweet it far and wide.

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 13:06

Also, why are they presenting Pink News as serious journalism? Ridiculous internet clickbait.

Complained.

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Pratchet · 01/07/2018 13:03

No yes the transracial! O my lord!

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Pratchet · 01/07/2018 13:02

Lol x post heresy

Grin
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Popchyk · 01/07/2018 13:01

Is it Benjamin Butterworth, the Pink News guy?

The same white bloke who pretended to be black in order to take up a BAME spot at a conference?

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Pratchet · 01/07/2018 13:01

Maybe I was wrong to say complain. It wasn't that bad, and it's a long way from #nodebate.

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heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 12:56

I hate that people are smearing Man Friday or any of the feminists who are speaking up. They have done SO much to bring this issue into the light, and the activism is working. So very grateful to you fellas and ladies, THANK YOU! StarStarStarStarStarStarStarStarStarStar

R0wantrees · 01/07/2018 12:51

a bit reminscent of 'so called feminists' Maria Miller MP comment:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/2993425-Maria-Miller-interviewed-by-Janice-Turner-full-text

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 12:43

The distaste in Butterworth's tone when he said "these women".

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 12:43

Thanks for including the complaints link, Pratchet. Duly used.

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 12:43

It interesting that the Man Friday women were described as 'activists' whilst Jane Fae and the editor of Pink News were not....

Very. Which is why they should have had a gender critical journalist like Sarah Ditum or Janice Turner on too.