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Womanfest, except it's not

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pachyderm · 01/07/2018 09:39

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2018/jun/30/women-fest-first-man-free-festival-sisterhood-song

"All women are welcome at the festival, says Jacout, including transgender women and pre-operative individuals. "We're also happy to have non-binary people provided they have a vagina; but not non-binary people with a penis, because we have to draw the line somewhere"

What line? You've just said "pre-operative individuals" ffs! I'm so tired of this.

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OldCrone · 01/07/2018 14:42

anyone in a male body that doesn't FULLY identify as a woman cannot come

I wonder what it means to FULLY identify as a woman (in contrast, presumably, to only PARTLY identifying as a woman)?

the woman's work we are doing would be disrupted if there was male energy in a male body (this extends to trans-men too)

So transmen have male energy in male bodies, and people who FULLY identify as women (but who have male bodies) don't have male bodies, or maybe they just don't have 'male energy in male bodies'. Confused

LassWiADelicateAir · 01/07/2018 14:42

We invite all Woman! This includes trans-women and non-binary folk with Vaginas. As we are a woman's fest, we do have the draw the line somewhere though: sadly that means that anyone in a male body that doesn't FULLY identify as a woman cannot come, we see you and love you, but the woman's work we are doing would be disrupted if there was male energy in a male body (this extends to trans-men too)

I'm no wiser.

LassWiADelicateAir · 01/07/2018 14:38

I think it’s great that they’re so inclusive - irritating that nb people who were assigned male at birth aren’t allowed, though. They’re no more male (or female) then AFAB non-binary people!

Is that what they are saying? They have said explicitly they are happy for people with vaginas but not people with penises.

What group is the "non-binary people with penises"? Are these people who say they are neither men or woman? In which case why do they want to go to a women only festival anyway?

OldCrone · 01/07/2018 14:35

They’re no more male (or female) then AFAB non-binary people!

I'm struggling to understand this statement, dinosaur. What are your definitions of male and female in this context?

Sarahconnor1 · 01/07/2018 14:31

What is our Gender Policy?

We invite all Woman! This includes trans-women and non-binary folk with Vaginas. As we are a woman's fest, we do have the draw the line somewhere though: sadly that means that anyone in a male body that doesn't FULLY identify as a woman cannot come, we see you and love you, but the woman's work we are doing would be disrupted if there was male energy in a male body (this extends to trans-men too)

www.womanfest.co.uk/additional-info.html

womanformallyknownaswoman · 01/07/2018 14:22

It's the "not real men fest"

dinosaursandtea · 01/07/2018 14:20

I think it’s great that they’re so inclusive - irritating that nb people who were assigned male at birth aren’t allowed, though. They’re no more male (or female) then AFAB non-binary people!

hungryhippie · 01/07/2018 14:19

Im a recent delurker.
Could anyone let me know what happened at Mitchfest? Ive tried googling.
Im learning so much with all of your posts, so thank you.

LassWiADelicateAir · 01/07/2018 14:18

“We’re also happy to have non-binary people provided they have a vagina; but not non-binary people with a penis because we have to draw the line somewhere.”

To me I think it means they will allow trans men, presumably no matter how well they pass as men, to attend as long as they do not have a prosthetic pens. So Buck Angel,who has spoken publicly about retaining a vagina, or the trans man in that poster about menstrual bleeding could (possibly)attend if they wanted to?

India Willoughby , Kelly Maloney and Janet Mock who have had full surgery, and are quite open about it, could attend.

Blaire White however, despite her appearance, could not attend as she speaks quite openly about not having had genital surgery (although the chances of her wanting to go are as non-existent as that of the posters on here)

Macareaux · 01/07/2018 14:17

This is truly priceless.

I'm waiting for the non-binary-penis-owners (aka men) to give them a public shaming because women-penis-owners (aka men) are allowed to attend. Then watch them roll over and issue a grovelling apology.

My money is on there being more ladydicks than yonis in attendance.

WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 01/07/2018 14:11

Man free my arse. What exactly is the point of writing about or promoting this festival? It is nothing different from any other festival apart from the fact that usually you aren't expected to make your own entertainment.

I bet the woman organising it considers herself to be very modern, inclusionary and progressive and is expecting many pats on the back for being soooo progressive.

littlbrowndog · 01/07/2018 13:47

Look at the price of it £225.00

Cripes

To get empowered by wokrkshops and and the womb tent

Having a laugh they are and gawd knows wat sort of penis is acceptable

225 !!!
Seems u have to be a certain class of women or someone else who I can’t work out exactly what

Sarahconnor1 · 01/07/2018 13:37

reallybadidea
Very unlikely, that would mean acknowledging biology and it's all about feelings now.

reallybadidea · 01/07/2018 13:34

I'm not defending them, but maybe by 'preop individuals' they mean transmen who haven't had surgery?

OvaHere · 01/07/2018 13:33

Interesting that they are claiming to be the first man free festival when Michfest (and maybe others) came first. Rather ironic considering that TRAs shutdown Michfest.

Reminds me of the transitioning Wachowski's claiming first female trilogy when actually it belongs to someone else.

groundcontroltomontydon · 01/07/2018 13:32

Butty I've never steamed anything more adventurous than asparagus but hey if someone's willing to pay £225 to sit in a tent in Somerset waving a bell on a stick then I say let them blow smoke up their own bodypart of choice

GardenGeek · 01/07/2018 13:29

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Prawnofthepatriarchy · 01/07/2018 13:28

Michfest sounds amazing. Imagine the freedom of walking naked through the forest at night on your way back to your tent.

But then I spent 48 hours naked at Glastonbury back in the 70s, when hassling women for sex seems to have been slightly less acceptable. I was with a mixed group of friends. I can still remember how liberating it was. I love getting my kit off, even now when I'm old and fat, with physical problems.

I went for physio recently and the physio said that if I was ok about looking at my body in the mirror I might find it helpful to learn the moves. I was wearing underwear. I was totally Shock at the thought that she thought I might be unable to bear looking at my fat, ageing body. It's my body, FFS!

ijustwannadance · 01/07/2018 13:26

People have more money than sense.
Bet they will be so happy with all the lady penis in the hot tubs and saunas.

Sarahconnor1 · 01/07/2018 13:24

"first man-free festival"

"First male penis and non binary penis free festival" has quite a ring to it I think!

I can think of better ways to spend £225.

heresyandwitchcraft · 01/07/2018 13:22

Wow. Not even a mention of what happened to Michigan Womyn's Music Festival in that article. This is ahistorical, controversy-erasing, biology-denying nonsense.
If your line is "no non-binary people with a penis" that is NOT a line. Literally all the penis-owning person has to say is "I'm a woman." This is a unisex festival.

BiologyIsReal · 01/07/2018 13:10

I had to snort at the headline "first man-free festival" Err no.

buttyblahblah · 01/07/2018 13:10

Groundcontrol do you think ladydick steaming will be as popular?

UglyCathKidstonBag · 01/07/2018 13:07

It sounds shite even before you get to in being anyonefest.

It will be a bunch of bankers in maxi skirts and stupid hats.

groundcontroltomontydon · 01/07/2018 13:06

So I'll put you lot down as a maybe then?
Sadly I am unable to attend as I'll be hosing down the bins that weekend

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