Five journalist shot dead

I actually think co-opting this tragedy in the way this thread has done is pretty appalling.

It is called 'making connections between other things happening in the world'.

I thought this was basic; look behind the headline, don't take the words for granted, read between the lines - FOLLOW THE MONEY.

Looking at his history, it's certainly looking likely that he's the incel type.

Can anyone access the original article to see if he has targeted the writer, or just the paper in general

He's another fucking Incel, isn't he?

Yes, indeedy, he is.

I agree with Red and AAK. This happened in the context of an incel movement in the US that idolises Elliot Rodger and also in the context of a presidential administration that regularly tells the population that the press has it coming.

This is a toxic mix and dangerous for many people but in particular women.

The move to authoritarian dictatorships is paved with the blood of journalists.

When journalists are killed for whatever reason, everyone should sit up and take notice for exactly this reason.

Not biting. Red is right in the context she's attempting to place this in, and it's important. I will not be discussing this with you any further.

The Mail has a very large piece on this

Ramos was the subject of a 2011 article - titled 'Jarrod wants to be your friend' - after he pleaded guilty to criminal harassment. The article described him as having threatened and harassed a former high school classmate on Facebook. He sent the woman numerous emails spanning several months calling her vulgar names and telling her to kill herself.

In the years that followed, Ramos sued the newspaper, the reporter who initially wrote about the case, a judge and the woman who testified against him. His defamation suit was thrown out on appeal in 2015 because Ramos failed to prove that what the newspaper had printed was untrue.

He's another fucking Incel, isn't he?

An Incel with a hispanic name too. God knows what the Orange Psycho will have to say about that.

I know you enjoy being contrarian, Lass, but this really isn't the thread for it

How dare you. This incident is absolutely appalling and I have said so. The reaction from all official sources has been shock and horror. I actually think co-opting this tragedy in the way this thread has done is pretty appalling.

I know you enjoy being contrarian, Lass, but this really isn't the thread for it.

Why are you trying to turn this story into some sort of organised attack on women's rights?

Because the motive of the perp is significant in such a case?

Because the US is the home of both the incel and the gun?

I'm dreading Trump's response

Because he's quite likely to say that the purveyors of fake news had it coming?! Because why would the Pussy Grabber in Chief be consider the harassment of a woman to be newsworthy?

Gutted about the shooting at the Capital Gazette, but am reminded in 2018, not everyone will be universally horrified that journalists are hurt or killed

I think that is nonsense. I think the US does value freedom of speech and freedom of the press.

This attack was apparently by one deranged individual with a grudge against the newspaper. It is appalling and terribly sad but why you are turning this into some sort of scare mongering story about violence about women and their status in society, and the culture war for liberty and democracy in America right now is bizarre.

The attacker had a grudge against the newspaper because it reported some time ago that he had been guilty of online harassment. Why are you trying to turn this story into some sort of organised attack on women's rights?

I'm dreading Trump's response

Eh? Why?

So this is the next step in the evolution of the MRM? If the media won't present the spin you want on your behavior, then murder members of the media.

Journalists are canaries in the coal mine, when they're not safe nobody else is either.

It was headline story on the BBC website last night, and is still on the front page, so it's not a hidden or minor story.
Forgive me, why is this story so huge?

All the main "serious" UK news sources have covered the actual shooting in detail as headline news. As for mentioning motive, it's variable.

The Guardian covers it more or less exactly as you do.

The BBC mentions an unsuccessful defamation case as possible motive.

The Telegraph mentions that paper having covered a harrassment case against the defender (no mention of his victim being female) and subsequent unsuccessful counter claim by the shooter for defamation.

The Times says no motive releasd as yet (possibly earlier time of writing than the other sources).

But yes, the misogynist motivations do need to be mentioned (well done to the Guardian for once - more of that please).

'When journalists start getting killed, it's BAD. Seriously bad. '

Completely agree. Totally horrifying. I'm dreading Trump's response

My god that’s horrific. Those poor people! And as you say it doesn’t bode well at all