El Al (Airline) will no longer make women move

Sorry that was for jurgen

Just as well i was referring to the children derail rather than the OP

But i can see that i wasnt clear about what i was referring to as 'not particularly feministy' so apologies for that

Just to make it clear...refusing to sit near a womyn - feminist issue
Suing an airline because they asked you not to sit next to a random child - twat issue

The original post was regarding certain male passengers forcing women to be moved from their seats on a plane just to satisfy some arcane religious law. How can this example of male privilege not be feminist-y? It's outrageous.

Hangs head in shame.

Sorry for igniting thread. Off to wander the streets of summer warmth, reflecting on my error. (though a teeny tiny bit glad it threw a light on some people on it!)

Why don't those dead or deported parents do their job and buy all the seats on the plane so a man won't be inconvenienced or embarrassed by having to change seats.
What is the world coming to.

pratchet

I don't think this view is even very feministy...

Always puzzled by threads like this

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

As they say, it takes a village

I feel it is the moment to lovebomb or can someone do it to me

Hearts and flowers for all the feminists on this thread

This was the case that resulted in BA changing their policy;

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11061577

A man travelling with his wife. He was sat by the window. His wife asked him to swap seats. This resulted in him sitting next to the kid. Obviously it didn't occur to her that statistically her husband was far more likely to molest the child than she was. Then the BA staff stepped in. He gave the money he was awarded from the lawsuit to charity - Schrodinger's philanthropist

Personally, I don't want to sit next to someone else's kid. But I'd expect the airline to move the child, not me - unless I'm being offered an upgrade.

Ikr panda my goodness the looks I got when I flew long haul single parent, three kids under 7

I just don't really see how it's different (except in severity of effect) to saying male teachers are higher risk, so let's ban male teachers. After all dbs only shows you've not been caught it doesn't make you risk free.

The men who complained were annoyed they got moved. Some said they were humiliated at being told loudly they couldn't sit next to a child and others were annoyed they weren't allowed to sit near their companions. I wouldn't go to papers but I'd be a bit annoyed if I'd booked a long haul flight and then my partner wasn't allowed to sit with me for 8 hours because a teenager was placed near us .

The reasons children travel alone include loss of one or both parents.

Minors are sent on flights because its considered so much safer than the train or bus. There are no stops, they cant get off and wander off or be taken from a rest room.
They are accompanied from check in to check out, and there are cabin staff around during the flight.

The airline staff cannot background check everyone who they seat next to an unaccompanied child. A risk assessment says place a low risk passenger next to them. The lowest risk of harm comes from a female passenger.
No one is forced to do it, they ask.

Its the same thing parents do when we need someone to watch the buggy for 2 minutes. Pick another parent and hope.

Oh god...there is no point to this but never mind

The parents of Unaccompanied children are usually (not always but usually) NOT ON THE AIRPLANE

Yaay, zsazsjuju what a great result. Yep, soo many women are paedos.

(Hint- look at stats)

But thanks for your input in safeguarding minors.

Surely people don’t actually want to sit next to unaccompanied minors. Lots of people would prefer not to have to sit next to their own children on flights, they hardly want to sit next someone else’s.

The implications of this conversation and the fact that it still exists on a platform for mothers and children is truly heartbreaking. Of all the awful things that have gone on, this is very, very bad.

Last What a great statement.

I want the child to be put where they are safest and not where they will pleae some petty, selfish and ignorant activist.

This.

With bells on.

Not just for flights, but just for life.

Ba was sued by a man who made him move so that he was not sat next to an unaccompanied minor. BA said at the time they would change their policy so unaccompanied minors have their own row and not discriminate re who can sit next to them. I think that’s about right. Not all men are paedos (and not all women aren’t).

Oh fuck, I was just going to post once here!

(Hey everyone - sorry to those who are going, 'fuck, why did you open this debate up again!)

But it's very illuminatory to me of some very, very strange viewpoints.

Will step away soon, as I'd like to keep my MNHQhymen (aka my MNHQ deletes intact!)

Exactly last and pom and natural

I'm a man. I want the child to be put where they are safest and not where they will please some petty, selfish and ignorant activist.

Just the fact that someone would work to change the rule should forever disqualify them as suitable company for children (or suitable company for decent human beings)

Outofmymind

Discriminatory ?

Men MUST be allowed to sit beside unaccompanied children. What paralllel world have we entered where male-bodied people would shout 'discrimination' because they're not be able to sit next to unaccomapnied minors (eg chidren)

Erm? This is why I flagged this thread.

This is fucking bonkers! I live, breathe, love alongside the men who I hope live and demonstrate the 'NAMALT' response. But none of them would protest this policy.

Who on earth would protest it and start to identify it as 'discriminatory'.

Waves to sitting-on-fence lurkers, to I-won't-post lurkers, to anyone who reads this and goes 'WTF'.

And yep, to those lurker who think, yep, that's right, throw safeguarding out of the window, this is a crap issue that gender critical women are focusing on for no good reason - come on, tell me why.