Urgent: banning gender identity conversion

How many trans people are sobjested to conversion therapy and, also, what exactly is the purpose of conversion therapy for trans people? I understand conversion therapy in terms of working on homosexual people to change their sexuality to heterosexual but I’m less clear what it means in terms of trans people.

Hi Snappity. What,for you, is the key piece of contrary evidence that the linked report provides

That trans people are also subjected to conversion therapy

That is totally contrary to the evidence
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/80-000-teens-will-undergo-conversion-therapy-near-future-study-n841356

Hi Snappity. What,for you, is the key piece of contrary evidence that the linked report provides?

Being gay harms no one and needs no medical intervention.
Being transgender often means irreversible medical intervention with unknown long term side effects, sterility etc.
Lumping gender identity under a conversion therapy ban WILL lead to therapists feeling unable to question self-diagnosis and exploration of other ways of coping with dysphoria, as it has in the US.

I would say the law needs to be a lot clearer. I do not think the (woefully inadequate) support offered in the U.K. could possibly be classed as conversion therapy. Conversion therapy is something quite specific, designed to modify someone's behaviour and sexuality.

If anything, physically transitioning children is more in line with conversion therapy than any counselling could be.

Prawn I'm here for you and support you, maybe when you have explored your feelings more you can get those extra legs or maybe youll be happier without them.

I don't know about what those floppy things are but please give me time to learn about it so I can support you better while you explore and grow. Until then to show that I care and have validated your feelings have

That is an NBC article that says nothing related to the bolded statement you picked out.

I am against gay conversion therapy.

What even is gender identity conversion therapy? See also questions above.

Where is the definition even, let alone science and research?

Conversion therapy is fairly specific to homosexuality, and is about behaviour in many ways.

That is totally contrary to the evidence
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/80-000-teens-will-undergo-conversion-therapy-near-future-study-n841356

I've seen a number of transactivists over several years claim that anything but wholehearted endorsement and medical treatment for GNC children is conversion therapy. It's not a new claim.

Given that conversion therapy has such a lousy reputation, it's important that gender critical feminists get the message out that the watch and wait NHS policy bears no resemblance.

Quite the opposite. Calls for the immediate medicalisation of GNC children are for a form of conversion therapy in that it forces children who would otherwise likely have grown up gay or lesbian into quasi heterosexuals on lifelong medication. Worse than conversion therapy, it sterilizes them too. Fuck, this shit is nasty.

I don't want a watch and wait approach, MistyEyed. I want dramatic surgical intervention and cakes. More legs are required. And those flappy things. Extra of those too. Did I mention the cakes?

Conversion therapy is fairly specific to homosexuality, and is about behaviour in many ways.

Children with gender dysphoria, children who reject their own body, need a different kind of support from those who are homosexual. When they receive counselling to help them understand their discomfort, it is not conversion therapy. We cannot risk the support offered to gender dysphoric kids reducing even more out of fear of being seen as potentially illegal 'conversion therapy'.

What does would any legislation mean for children questioning their gender identity?
What is gender identity?
Does it require a diagnosis?
What would someone be trying to convert someone from and to?

My questions relate specifically to gender identity.

I fear some here are missing the point.

Gay conversion should be banned. This can include therapy to try to understand roots of homosexuality (to try to ‘cure’).

An MP, while (correctly) supporting this position, has snuck in ‘gender identity’.

This sanctions the banning of therapy to try to understand gender dysphoria/identity issues.

It is not advocating ‘watch and wait’, it is advocating affirmation.

How much more transphobic is it possible to get than opposing legislation that might outlaw a discredited "treatment" that has been condemned as "unethical" by every reputable professional body in the field?

What treatment and how has it been defined? What research shows harm? Who to?

If that's your opinion you may as well own it.

Conversion therapy for homosexual people is wrong and should be banned.

There is no parallel with gender identity. It should not be swept into the same category.

Er, so, conversion therapy for gender identity is not wrong and should not be banned??

Conversion therapy for homosexual people is wrong and should be banned.

There is no parallel with gender identity. It should not be swept into the same category.

If a young person experiments with their sexuality, they can do so without making lifelong decisions. Experimenting with gender leads to long term health issues, and removes the option of returning to their natal gender. No child should have their future adulthood taken away from them.

Christ Damn, yes, that's great, that's as it should be - I'm glad that is the case now - BUT that's not what's being pushed for is it, lets be honest here.

Children are going on puberty blockers. That necessarily has to be done before puberty, ie. not after 4-5 years of therapy, and parents have reported on here that therapy simply isn't being offered to explore these kids issues, it's straight to affirmation, changing presentation and name at school etc. ie. definitely not waiting for other mental health issues to be eliminated or controlled.

I'm not anti-trans, I'm anti harming children.

Damn
What exactly is the discredited treatment relating to transgender children and young adults? It seems to me there is no clear consensus apart from among those making money.

DisturblinglyOrangeScrambleEgg
t's not a low, it's actually thinking about it, and balancing that if (for example) someone is suicidal, then the last thing to do is to start offering them life-altering medication and surgery. Much better to deal with the mental health issues leading to the suicidal thoughts first, and then see if they still need to change their healthy body.
Yet another post demonstrating that someone has been suckered into the anti-trans propaganda, but has not the faintest idea of what actually goes on before anyone is diagnosed, or what happens during the year or more of the "real life test" before anyone is even referred for surgery.

A diagnosis of transsexualism (as it used to be) or gender incongruence (as it is now) cannot be made until other mental health issues have been either eliminated or controlled. And surgery is the last thing that is offered. The whole process typically takes about 4-5 years even for an adult.

This is effectively already nhs policy -affirmation only. No questioning of why someone might feel uncomfortable in their own body / own sex. If someone says they are trans then you have to just go along with it. presumably when they get referred there is a bit more questioning esp for kids

So is this LBGT survey and action plan linked to the consultation or is it separate. Is it likely changes will be implemented outside the act. Am confused - thought the survey was to inform the consultation