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#ManFriday group closing

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YesItsADebate · 28/06/2018 13:30

It gives me great sadness to write this post but we have been attacked this week, on our Facebook organising group by someone who claims to be a feminist and an ally to our cause. They chose to leak some screenshots to a Twitter troll (outing our members) and make a ridiculous allegation against us and Dr Nic in a thread on here and has slipped through our clean-up of our online group.

They are now threatening police action against high profile members of our group unless we prostrate ourselves to her bullying. @Sweary has a great response to that: the ever eloquent G F* Y! (starred to prevent deletion! ahem).

As we don't know who they are and don't know how to stop them the only option we have is to burn the group. This loses us so many allies, who have supported our actions wholeheartedly since that first day meeting wiht my local swimming pool and it breaks my heart. As we met on MN FWR I hope that most of you are still here and see this. We really didn't want to lose you - and you were as important as those of us out there getting on with the activism.

That this has happened in the run up to the consultation being launched, a time when we really should have our attentions and activities focussed elsewhere is ridiculous. This person has chosen to pursue a personal vendetta at a time when we should be pulling together and building on the success #ManFriday has had so far.

#ManFriday will keep fighting for the rights, safety, privacy and dignity of women and girls. We aren't going away but for the security of our members, we have to use alternative platforms to the Facebook group for organising our activism. Our website, Twitter feed etc. will still be up and running (come & get a t-shirt Wink)

Please keep up with the #randomactsofmanliness and keep taking up space on Fridays. Or any day come to that.

Amy, Sweary and the #ManFriday admin team x (unMumsnetty but )

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Cascade220 · 01/07/2018 10:48

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bullinachinateashop · 01/07/2018 10:44

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Sarahconnor1 · 01/07/2018 10:44

it was a small green TRA vegetable who named HW publically, not ManFriday or any other feminists that I can see

It is also the small green vegetable that has been putting the boot into HW for weeks. Now he is accusing MF of bullying the very same person.

Hypocrite.

Ereshkigal · 01/07/2018 10:25

YY Spartacus.

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OrchidInTheSun · 01/07/2018 10:11

Blimey posie - thought you'd gone a bit awry there Grin

TellsEveryoneRealFacts · 01/07/2018 10:06

Why is this persecution of this women being allowed? I never come on and don't think I will again! Its all conjecture. People should put up or shut up. In fact I'm so disgusted I want to know is this organisation Man Friday a tax fraud. Is it a registered business? Are these women just on her to sell their T shirts? I will be contacted the Tax office first thing Monday morning. I also will be writing to my MP about this. Disgusting behaviour and MumsNet are just as cupable by allowing these women to market their products!!!

You might want to have a word with a certain Sprout on Twitter who provided all the links needed to ensure there was enough evidence for the leaks to lead to a certain person.

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LangCleg · 01/07/2018 09:58

Of course all the great criminal masterminds work up to selling badges - there’s millions to be made.

I was going for stickers, myself.

therealposieparker · 01/07/2018 09:42

Why is this persecution of this women being allowed? I never come on and don't think I will again! Its all conjecture. People should put up or shut up. In fact I'm so disgusted I want to know is this organisation Man Friday a tax fraud. Is it a registered business? Are these women just on her to sell their T shirts? I will be contacted the Tax office first thing Monday morning. I also will be writing to my MP about this. Disgusting behaviour and MumsNet are just as cupable by allowing these women to market their products!!!

Specifically? Because [deleted] has privately harassed lots of women in mad emails, she's a fantasist and I think everyone has had enough now that her appalling and dangerous behaviour is in the open.

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Bowlofbabelfish · 01/07/2018 09:33

Of course all the great criminal masterminds work up to selling badges - there’s millions to be made.

Please do write to your MP though. The more they are aware and look at how a small group of people are terrorising women trying to uphold the law, the better.

DontBuyANewMumAnyLUSHProduce · 01/07/2018 09:29

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pearlkent · 01/07/2018 00:47

I've just bought a ManFriday product. Gosh I hope it's not a tax fraud and that it's a registered business. Because of course there is NO funding behind all the powerful male lobby.

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bullinachinateashop · 01/07/2018 00:33

Why is this persecution of this women being allowed? I never come on and don't think I will again! Its all conjecture. People should put up or shut up. In fact I'm so disgusted I want to know is this organisation Man Friday a tax fraud. Is it a registered business? Are these women just on her to sell their T shirts? I will be contacted the Tax office first thing Monday morning. I also will be writing to my MP about this. Disgusting behaviour and MumsNet are just as cupable by allowing these women to market their products!!!

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R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 19:20

Updates and advice from #ManFriday on this thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3292541-Heads-up-to-all-ManFriday-members?pg=5

UpstartCrow · 30/06/2018 17:30

Mimiev
Could you please use a proper survey site such as Survey Monkey, and post that as a separate thread?

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ToeToToe · 30/06/2018 16:47

I did, Rowan - fabulous, and always worth watching again Wine

We've always said this is the hill we will die on - well, we're not dead yet. KOKO.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 16:26

ToeToToe Did you see the video of the more recent speech that Sweary gave in Truro channelling Churchill? Worth a watch.
It starts at about 1:07

MistyEyedMixture · 30/06/2018 16:22

To make a sweeping generalisation, not sure it's great to making sweeping generalisations, the core two of manfriday seem lovely and I've only heard nice things about them. Top fellas BrewFootball

From my perspective tho it's undeniable that this self id debate attracts some eerrr characters shall we say?! It makes me uncomfortable with sticking my name in any group or camp or giving the thumbs up...

It's very eye opening the range of characters that exist.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 16:07

Worth watching this video again & watch out for the #ManFriday van.

'Women are fighting back!'

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zjZEf2f4Tc

ToeToToe · 30/06/2018 16:05

Awesome speech by Sweary. I don't want Sweary thinking that everyone thinks MF are the bullies - I certainly do not. They've been subjected to the full-on TRA treatment. Smearing, doxxing, threats, contacting employers - and so on. Because you're raising awareness - you are the ones saying "the Emperor has no clothes" and people are listening. And looking, and noticing that the trans ideology is nothing but an ideology - no basis in reality. That's why they're doing this.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 15:28

Sweary's speech:
manfridayuk.org/2018/05/18/why-manfriday/#more-1541

"Below is the full text of the speech made by ManFriday’s Media Officer at a Women’s Place UK meeting on 17th May 2018.

My name is Hannah Clarke.

I support the rights of women and girls.

Men do not belong in female spaces.

A woman cannot have a penis.

I am not afraid to speak the truth.

I am here tonight to talk to you because of my involvement in the ManFriday movement. I’m sure that most of you will have heard of us, but for those who haven’t I’ll start with a brief overview.

I’ve called ManFriday a movement, I think a better word might be concept. We are a loosely organised group of women who are horrified by the implications of self identification and the resultant erasure of women. We are making a stand against what is happening by self identifying as men on Fridays. We show how preposterous it is to be able to self-declare as the opposite sex by doing exactly that.

This all came about when Amy Desir took it upon herself to address the ludicrous guidance Swim England produced to engage trans people in swimming. This guidance, soundly rejected by the good ladies of Mumsnet, included such gems as telling us women who object to penises in their changing rooms require education, whilst our boobs should be covered at all times for fear of causing offence. Amy started a Mumsnet thread one Friday morning in February telling us that she had arranged a meeting at her local pool to discuss her inclusion in men only swimming sessions as a self identified man in accordance with the guidance.

This thread inspired a whole lot of us – around 160 at the last count – to get behind the concept and thus ManFriday was born. We started with a Facebook page where we plan our protests and share resources and now have a website, a very active (and funny) twitter account, and a whole load of unconnected women joining in on Twitter every Friday using the hashtag ManFriday.

I joined after seeing Amy’s thread coincided with me wanting to be able to do something. I had attended the Woman’s Place meeting in London in February and was in awe of all the women there. I was too shy to put my hand up and talk – I didn’t feel like I had anything to say at all, but I think might make up for that now.... (continues)

Ereshkigal · 30/06/2018 14:05

Yes that's a pretty good description of Sprout, LastGirl.