Reality check

As transparent as a curtainless bay window.

Teehee.

NewbieSpartacus & bless i got confirmation from MN that we can say transwomen are men / transwomen are male
"It's very much a case-by-case basis, and it's entirely dependent on tone and context. If it's a civil debate about biology, and used to express a specific point, then that's quite different, we feel, to belittling an individual (which we'd likely consider a personal attack).

"Look what you made me do!"

As transparent as a curtainless bay window.

If you would only do as you're told, dammit, we wouldn't have to punish you!

As transparent as a curtainless bay window.

Another out of the fog link that's relevant, Sophocles
outofthefog.website/top-100-trait-blog/2015/10/30/blaming

(i love that website)

@SophoclesTheFox

He was also entirely unable to understand the concept that other people had needs that differed from his own.

My ex's complaint was that I wasn't making him happy 😂 Like it should be my life's work 😂

Same here Newbie.

If you would stop attacking us, then there's no reason to want you shut down

Says the person who wants to shut down a forum of 12 million women, because 'my wife...' something or other

12 million bloody women!

Twelve million.

Because 'my wife'. Me. My. Me.

You really couldn't make this up. The sense of entitlement and utter self obsession is remarkable.

Another note on my ex (I honestly can't think why I am thinking about him on this thread, really I can't): he was also very fond of the line that all of his worst behaviour was due to his reacting to situations that he described as "not of his making". Things he "never asked for". Things he had no choice about. Things were never his fault.

He needed me to understand that he was just reacting - to his parents, to me, to everyone who wronged him - and that his relentless emotional abuse was therefore not within his control either. Everyone else was at fault.

He was also entirely unable to understand the concept that other people had needs that differed from his own.

There are a lot of men like that out there. I expect many of the women in FWR have met similar types.

what attacks Damnthatonestakentryanother2?

understanding that humans cannot change sex is not an attack

understanding that the introduction of a transwoman to a previously all female space changes it to a mixed sex space is not an attack

understanding that this undermines safeguards built on the premise of single sex spaces is not an attack

wanting privacy from men is not an attack

Hey Damn.

I don’t know if you’ve been looking at many threads today but Snappity, Daim and I have made some real headway.

We all agree that women who have issues sharing spaces with transwomen should have the right to segregated spaces.

Would be great to have you on board with us too if you agree?

If you're so hacked off with Mumsnet, Damn, why are you still here?

If you would stop attacking us, then there's no reason to want you shut down

If we stop nagging then you won't have to make us shut up?

Wow.

Im with you newbie

I'm sure this has already been discussed but despite the many threads dedicated to the new guidelines I'm still unclear. Probably because they are so vague and we can't see what people have been deleted for. So I'm asking - again - here; because Kate has posted here to say we can state facts. I have been led to believe that's not the case; unless some facts are more factual than others. Please, someone, clarify for me. I use the term transwomen, personally, I find it's polite and conveys meaning adequately. That's an opinion btw, because often words have connotations and others will disagree, so it's not a factual debate. However, I will not say trans women are women, because that is factually inaccurate. And I don't know if I'm allowed to say trans women are men, which some may find offensive, but is biologically a fact? Not being facetious, I honestly don't think this has been cleared up.

Someone was never told

'I want doesnt get'

Were they...

Massive thank you to all the sensible MNers who have been here for me and vast numbers of other women over the years

Mumsnet is consciousness raising for the 21st century. That's why some people want it shut down. Remember what consciousness raising achieved last time round?

Blimey

The reason I want Mumsnet shut down

What a sense of entitlement.

Shut down MN FWR? Meh

Shutdown a forum which is support for breastfeeding womyn, pregnant womyn, has a supportive LGBT children board, special needs board, jobs board, supportive help for all sorts of parents? Telly addicts!!!

Well that says all anybody needs to know

Still on the first page of this thread.

@Massivelyouting

I posted links about the language of Sinn Fein and how they used that language to move to the mainstream. I see this as similar.

hmmnnn I really don't understand your point. If anything, I see GC feminists as having been forced into the same position as Sinn Fein, who were demonised and not allowed to speak on behalf of half the population of NI.

So be trans. Celebrate it. Work towards making life easier for those who have difficulty in living as their born sex.

Leave the woman stuff to us. Not your circus.

We don't choose to be trans.

We don't choose to be women and girls at high risk from male violence and sex based discrimination which is why we continue to fight to keep our protections

I second that DARVO.