I think my favourite thing about this thread is that it's called 'Reality Check' and so much reality is revealed therein...

Loving this thread. As I say frequently at work* (after I've put the phone down) - put your cock away.

• I work in a male dominated (and sometimes dominating) industry

Agreed. I've said before that I wouldn't be the slightest bit surprised if they are coming from their own private forum with a game plan of specific goading in different ways.

Although some are just clearly individual narcissists who are incapable of recognizing how much their gaming shite reveals them for who they are to everyone reading. It's like they left the house with their skirt tucked in their knickers and haven't noticed...

I remember someone @ me even though i asked not to, as I don't want the mails. They then specifically did and then didn't even say anything interesting. Very obviously deliberate to annoy me and push my boundaries. Can't remember who and don't care enough to go look back.
But just warning there are some anti GC here who will deliberately push and push.

Phew it took a while to get to the bottom of this one but I just wanted to say that...

I solemnly swear never to report any anti-gender critical posts so they can be left to shine in all their glory.

(I may be guilty of doing this in the past but they are best left as they are).

I take it no receipts yet?

If Snappity feels that they can't participate in the conversation here without Damn addressing Lang directly that's a bit odd. Is Lang the only GC commenter? Is Snappity honestly not seeing why many people might read some of Damn's comments in this thread and conclude that they're an individual best avoided? If so that's rather concerning.

So entitled that it's laughable. Or frightening.

So if I post a thread about how trans women are women and how badly it affects them when they are misgendered, I should be able to ask that no gender critical feminists contribute to the thread?

You would certainly be reasonably asking that on a forum for trans people to discuss their challenges with each other. On MN feminism no, it would not be reasonable. In fact some people might say that continually coming here and posting the way you do, derailing discussions and constantly interrupting when women are speaking is rude.

They can't be told no can they ?!

Meanwhile the police haven't come round here to arrest me for thought crimes
Not sure about anyone else

And it seems we are back to the problem of boundaries not being respected- LangCleg has clearly laid out her boundaries here, it’s very telling when others can’t accept those boundaries isn’t it.

Snappity

I keep reading here that trans people the ones trying to shut down debate, yet here is an example of a trans woman being told she shouldn't even quote the opposing argument so that she can dispute it

Hi Snappity. I think it is also clear that our views aren't simpatico. I find your contributions to FWR very goady and I prefer not to interact with you. If we find ourselves contributing to the same threads, please do not address me directly or quote my posts in order to engage me. This is a clear boundary. Please respect it. I won't be responding further. All the best.

Asking one person not to to @them or quote them is not telling them not to debate the issues. They have just asked, and I say asked because the person can choose to ignore them, not to do this.

The debate can still continue with the many other wonderful people on here who are willing to engage.

lang can speak to anyone she damn well pleases

She also has the right to tell people that she doesnt want to talk to...that she will not be engaging with them

Free speech on Mumsnet is predicated on debate. Telling a person most likely to disagree not to quote you or engage with what has been said is not debate. This isn't about individuals. It's about not stifling debate.

Snappity Fri 29-Jun-18 14:19:53
All people have the right to choose who they speak to both in real life and online.

this is the preferred option.

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@Snappity
All people have the right to choose who they speak to both in real life and online.

Not this one.

If you misrepresent this answer again it just shows you arent bothering to read other peoples posts.

So if I post a thread about how trans women are women and how badly it affects them when they are misgendered, I should be able to ask that no gender critical feminists contribute to the thread? Because that's where what you are saying leads us.

Yes, that is exactly the same as one person asking another person to not @ them

And yeah, you could ask that if you wanted. I seem to remember that went down well not too long ago when some TRA wanted a 'trans supportive' thread and told others not to comment. As it turned out, a fair few transsexual people posted on there too, but they were not the 'right kind' of trans unfortunately so the OP ignored them too

Damnthatonestakentryanother2
LangCleg
Women and girls are my priority. Always will be
Then why spend so much time and effort attacking trans people? Completely irrelevant

Damn is this a personal attack on Lang ?
I have seen no evidence of Lang acting as you describe.

There is a difference between engaging a poster directly and speaking to them and contributing to a general discussion. I can't believe it is necessary to say this.....?!

Asking that someone not speak to you directly is not the same as saying no-one can comment in general on a thread (that's the whole point of threads on a forum really - to allow people to engage in a general rather than personal discussion).

I am making a general point, I am not naming any other posters in this comment. Just to be clear.

Lang asked a specific poster not to address her directly or to try and engage her directly. I am quite sure that people following this thread can see why she did that, and I find it surprising if you don't.

All people have the right to choose who they speak to both in real life and online.

They have the right to say they do not wish contact.

Their request should be respected.

So if I post a thread about how trans women are women and how badly it affects them when they are misgendered, I should be able to ask that no gender critical feminists contribute to the thread? Because that's where what you are saying leads us.

LangCleg is one poster out odlf all of us and possibly feels that DamnThat is a GF. Not comparable to e.g. TERFhunter on Twitter actively trying to get GC accounts shut down.

Snappity Fri 29-Jun-18 14:07:12
If we find ourselves contributing to the same threads, please do not address me directly or quote my posts in order to engage me. This is a clear boundary. Please respect it. - @LangCleg to @Damnthatonestakentryanother2

I keep reading here that trans people the ones trying to shut down debate, yet here is an example of a trans woman being told she shouldn't even quote the opposing argument so that she can dispute it.

No Snappity, one poster asked another not to '@' them.
Quoting someone is different from sending them and email.

There has actually been a lot of agreement on here in the last few days. We have come to a bit of a consensus that women who have issues sharing with transwomen should be able to access segregated spaces. That’s a big deal.

No we haven't.