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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 06:54

It's shit but I think we have to be pragmatic. And disclaimer: the below does not refer to all trans people or all transadvocates.

Imagine how many pairs of TRA eyes are trawling every single post on Mumsnet about trans issues. There are the resources, the legal support and the tech experience there to build a civil case, or find the one post that tips over into breaching IPSO and Ofcom guidelines, that can lead to sanction, compensation or worse for MN.

They don't even need eyes. They can build algorithms that trawl mumsnet for them. They want that log of complaints or posts that will enable legal action, criminal action or any other official sanction. There is no lull or respite from this. Mumsnet is the only mass crossover media which enables conversation on this issue which is not trans-agenda driven. It's the only one left that promotes a feminist view. The drive to stop this conversation will not stop, or rest, ever.

And who will they complain to? They will be complaining to people who have had 'trans awareness training' and bodies which have extremely active awareness networks, looking for offensive material. Going back years, through the media, including the BBC and ITV at the highest levels, police, monitoring organisations, government, the civil service, about how vulnerable trans people are, about how oppressed trans people are. What are Mumsnet's chances of coming out the other side and being able to allow this conversation to go on?

We all know this, but it's actually real. It's not theoretical.

Don't do the TRAs' job for them. Please don't jump. Please don't throw yourselves in front of the train. This is David and Goliath, we are amateurs all, new to the field, up against an army of well-prepared professionals. But we can do this.

Here are some links.

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/112500/dip-statement.pdf
www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/109711/consultation-diversity-inclusion-plan.pdf
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/about/media-interactions/
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/a-meet-up-with-the-independent-press-standards-organisation/
www.out-law.com/en/articles/2018/february/uk-to-review-laws-on-offensive-online-communications/
www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-new-national-online-hate-crime-hub

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:55

Just because of the targeting that means we could lose it altogether.

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Amalfimamma · 28/06/2018 07:45

Mn is the only forum I know of that takes reports from nonmembers.

Is kiwi being targeted in the same way? Fm? No. So why are they so scared of us discussing reality and how to defend ourselves?

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:33

The general public knows that sex is based on reproductive role and is unchangeable. Transactivists are trying to prevent them from finding out that the plan is to make that completely unsayable.

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:31

Ours is not the view of a few extremists. Ours is not even a view, it's knowledge. The knowledge that sex is binary, based on reproductive role and immutable. We don't need to 'move it mainstream'. It is mainstream. But people with power do not want us to articulate that knowledge and they've had the ability to stop other massive media organisations doing so.

We have to keep it sayable.

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:27

We don't need to look conciliatory or inclusive. We need to not produce material that could be used to pursue legal or regulatory sanction.

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:18

GC feminists here and elsewhere are in danger of being perceived to be extremists

No we don't look anything like extremists. I'm not saying that at all. That's the opposite of what I said.

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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 07:17

We are being moderated by trans extremists, in effect. All MN are doing is keeping the train on the track. There's no point in suicide. They want us to go down in a blaze of glory. No one will care. Might make one hit in the Daily Mail. It's not worth it.

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