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Pratchet · 28/06/2018 06:54

It's shit but I think we have to be pragmatic. And disclaimer: the below does not refer to all trans people or all transadvocates.

Imagine how many pairs of TRA eyes are trawling every single post on Mumsnet about trans issues. There are the resources, the legal support and the tech experience there to build a civil case, or find the one post that tips over into breaching IPSO and Ofcom guidelines, that can lead to sanction, compensation or worse for MN.

They don't even need eyes. They can build algorithms that trawl mumsnet for them. They want that log of complaints or posts that will enable legal action, criminal action or any other official sanction. There is no lull or respite from this. Mumsnet is the only mass crossover media which enables conversation on this issue which is not trans-agenda driven. It's the only one left that promotes a feminist view. The drive to stop this conversation will not stop, or rest, ever.

And who will they complain to? They will be complaining to people who have had 'trans awareness training' and bodies which have extremely active awareness networks, looking for offensive material. Going back years, through the media, including the BBC and ITV at the highest levels, police, monitoring organisations, government, the civil service, about how vulnerable trans people are, about how oppressed trans people are. What are Mumsnet's chances of coming out the other side and being able to allow this conversation to go on?

We all know this, but it's actually real. It's not theoretical.

Don't do the TRAs' job for them. Please don't jump. Please don't throw yourselves in front of the train. This is David and Goliath, we are amateurs all, new to the field, up against an army of well-prepared professionals. But we can do this.

Here are some links.

www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0009/112500/dip-statement.pdf
www.ofcom.org.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/109711/consultation-diversity-inclusion-plan.pdf
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/about/media-interactions/
www.allabouttrans.org.uk/a-meet-up-with-the-independent-press-standards-organisation/
www.out-law.com/en/articles/2018/february/uk-to-review-laws-on-offensive-online-communications/
www.gov.uk/government/news/home-secretary-announces-new-national-online-hate-crime-hub

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EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/06/2018 18:46

It was good fun. I was in a thin dress & sandals so not too hot, & all they really wanted me to do was sway & wave my arms a bit while they did the energetic stuff.

NewbieSpartacus · 30/06/2018 18:45

I thought BM was gay too! Yes, he's adorable.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 18:43

Sounds a very exciting shopping trip Empress though think it would be a bit warm for me to dance outside... I could sway!

EmpressOfSpartacus · 30/06/2018 18:33

I went to do my food shop earlier & stopped to watch dancers in the town square. Then I ended up getting pulled in to join them Grin.

Bulgur wheat salad tonight, with avocado & peppers & whatnot. Too hot to cook!

Bespin · 30/06/2018 18:20

Totally loved Brian molko I went to there I think third ever gig and fell in love 😍

BeyondRaggydoll · 30/06/2018 18:16

Brian molko...

For years I thought he was gay, it was only when I saw Placebo live a couple of years back and he mentioned his wife that I realised I'd missed my chance! Grin

NewbieSpartacus · 30/06/2018 17:29

Robert Smith. Brett Anderson.

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WichBitchHarpyTerfThatsMe · 30/06/2018 16:01

My first crush too Betty, I would swoon over him on TOTP and even joined the official fan club!

I've always had a soft spot for GNC men, the type who knew they were men and not wed to stereotypes that is.

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 14:31

Mine was Boy George, loved Culture Club & still enjoy their music.

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 30/06/2018 14:27

One of my obscure claims to fame is that Bowie's first wife fancied me. Would have been interested if he was involved but no luck.

BettyDuMonde · 30/06/2018 14:18

I miss GNC men.

All my celeb crushes were thus. I think the best time for men’s fashions ‘classic rock’ era.

Swoon.

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 30/06/2018 14:10

Such a handsome man

One of the most beautiful on the planet in my opinion

BettyDuMonde · 30/06/2018 14:09

Did someone mention Adam Ant?

MY FIRST CRUSH EVER! Blush

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 30/06/2018 13:32

I dont eat meat

Started eating a few types of fish about 5 years ago....keep feeling guilty Grin

LastGirlOnTheLeft · 30/06/2018 12:32

I don't eat meat or fish. Haven't in thirty odd years - I don't even know what they taste like! I'm too fond of animals! 😇 👼

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 30/06/2018 12:31

So do i r0wan

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 12:31
R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 12:30

I now have Adam Ant looping!

BeyondRaggydoll · 30/06/2018 12:21

I also don't drink or smoke, apart from when I do

BeyondRaggydoll · 30/06/2018 12:21

I'm vegan, when I'm not eating eggs, milk, cheese, meat and fish Grin

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 12:21

I eat fish because I can kill them (responsibly of course)

AngryAttackKittens · 30/06/2018 12:17

There's an old Tricky song with the line "it's OK to eat fish because they don't have any feeelings"...

R0wantrees · 30/06/2018 12:11

AngryAttackKittens

I have met "vegetarians who eat some fish and chicken (& turkey at Christmas)"

BeyondRaggydoll · 30/06/2018 12:08

Ha my bil is a vegetarian that eats fish. Not intentionally - but he has been given a "vegetarian" meal that involves fish on a few occasions and is too polite to complain Grin