Is the sun transphobic? Does the sun fat shame? Has the world gone mad?

What's all this "was a goth", you lightweights? Goth doesn't go away, not at heart
My soul is black and remains so, even when I'm in a pink tea dress

Travis maybe thinks that women dont get judged or harrassed if they go out in crop tops and shorty-shorts , and its just the trans laydeez

Women face this shit routinely, especially if we're black (because of misogynoir, black women are assumed to be hypersexual and summer clothes magnify that by showing skin), fat (how dare I show my non-model body), big-busted (most strappy summer clothes won't cover them properly and big breasts are assumed to mean hypersexuality and stupidity, so summer clothes mean showing big boobs and hence open season), disabled (how dare we reveal a deformity or surgical scar), etc. But these people seem to think that they are the first and only people in the world to experience this. It's another way they colonise womanhood, by acting like they are the first people to find something and name it, when actually the women who already live through this crap have ben talking about it for ages and ignored and the fact that we knew this first is now erased. The parallels between trans colonisation of womanhood and e.g. white colonisation of Africa are clear to me: Livingstone "discovering" a big waterfall and calling it the "Victoria Falls" and the indigenous people's name for it "Mosi-oa-Tunya" ("smoke that thunders") is ignored even though they lived next to it and had done for centuries.

It is sort of a fascinating commentary on modern life that a person can make an entire career out of this sort of thing. Not a positive one.

Travis is an idiot. Travis is probably just trying to drum up more fund for their taxi go fund me

Precisely, if it was framed as "why won't arseholes leave people alone?" then commiserations, mate, some people really ought to come with a built in mute button. When it's framed as I, unique snowflake, and only I and perhaps a few others very much like me am being picked on, which is unacceptable because we're actually special and amazing, then it becomes less of a people in general should stop heckling randoms in the street thing and more of a how dare randoms fail to recognize my innate superiority thing.

The point is that it is much worse when a man experiences it. See also transwomen 'lesbians' who suddenly and indignantly discover a world of homophobia. Tedious

Totally agree. I was also a goth. Sometimes, I went out just wearing skinny black jeans and a black vest top with docs. Others I went out with my hair in a huge black mohawk, a corset and a Danielle Dax style shredded ribbon and lace skirt. To Sainsbury's. (Ah memories...)

I also used to get things shouted at me.

If you choose to dress 'noticeably' then you are going to have dickheads shouting things at you.

If you 'signpost' yourself as 'different' then dickheads are going to shout things at you.

I personally feel people should be able to dress how they wish without dickheads shouting at them, but clearly the dickheads don't.

But that isn't a trans problem, it's a 'there are dickheads in the world' problem.

I can think of other trans-people suffering more — those who are FtM and wearing binders must be struggling more surely?

The article is good in a "I wear whatever I like because I like it and people shouldn't comment" way, but the headline doesn't really match that.

Yep AAK

I agree in your sentiment, if only so many otherwise rational people weren't seeming to be sharing in that validation agenda, despite red flags being raised like a flipping bunting production line right now.

And are starting to be very angry that other people have started to notice what's happening.

Diddums, frankly.

Actually AAK, you're probably right, but it was more of a 'you don't understand me' thing.

And as FireFartingDuck says, "some powerful people have started to listen".

Though I'd reframe that a bit, as in "some powerful/manipulative people have started to coopt normal teenager behaviour to validate their own adult needs and validation that fall outside 'norms' of behaviour"

And are starting to be very angry that other people have started to notice what's happening.

Could you please archive.is the links to Prick News? I hate giving them a click.

Good points FireFarting

Well yes, that is rather the bind for these delicate blossoms. They want to widen the bandwidth, etc, and let everyone wear what they want to and are happy in.

But if we all did that, who would look at Travis and Alok? If everyone is a special precious wunderkind who needs to express themselves in funkadelic ways, how will we be able to notice Travis and Alok?

You can see why they're suffering, really. They're actually liberating themselves out of the attention vortex. It must be so hard.

I agree Angry

And being told it's not nice to point this out is tedious in the extreme - I already know and I don't care!

Bring on strike one!

If people stare at Alok it's not because he's gender non-conforming, it's because he looks like a colorblind toddler who'd had too much sugar picked out his outfit for him. Nobody dresses like that if they don't want attention.

I did dress like that partly for the attention as I previously stated, even though I only admit it with age and hindsight.

Some may believe Alok doesn't expect any comment/reaction when wearing the outfit I posted previously but I disagree.

Women know that catcalling and harassment happen no matter what they're wearing - you just need to have a female body that's the only requirement. No woman deserves it or asks for it.

As I said previously, being abused/harassed/catcalled was for me far worse than abuse for my youth subculture sartorial choices, with choice being the important word.
In reality I could choose at any time not to dress like a goth but I couldn't choose not to be in possession of a female body.

*Yes, the 'whole world is against me, and I'm going to tantrum until it adores me' thing is as old as the hills.

What has changed is that some powerful people have decided to listen to it instead of rolling their eyes.*

This is the worrying thing...

Yes, the 'whole world is against me, and I'm going to tantrum until it adores me' thing is as old as the hills.

What has changed is that some powerful people have decided to listen to it instead of rolling their eyes.

It is Kevin and Perry literally brought into the modern day.

But, I don't recall, that this was accompanied by a victim-mentality of 'you're killing me, your assumptions about me are invalidating me, you need to adapt your behaviour and bend towards me and my needs'.

Honestly? Maybe a bit at one point, but I think that's known as "being a teenager".

I was a goth too. Anyone who chooses an unusual look needs to develop a thick skin, especially if it's important to you to look that way due to subcultural affiliations or whatever.

Anyone who completely fails to notice the endemic harassment that woman and girls are subjected to and concludes that the stick they're getting for having unusual dress sense is unique and far worse than mere girls being sexually harassed because they have boobs is not exactly winning the World's Most Clued In Person award.

MissVanjie I sort of get what you're saying, and I also don't agree with the mocking of the presentation Travis chooses in clothes. But I don't agree with Travis's demands and complaints.

What I'm going to say below is not linked to those experiencing gender dysphoria. As Travis doesn't seem, in all the media about them, to say they're experiencing this.

A lot of the people on this thread including me, I suspect because of the age of a lot of Mumsnet posters, have lived through times where we also challenged norms.

As a teenager and young adult, I dressed like terryleather , outside the 'norms' of traditional dress. We challenged stereotypes, both gender ones and just traditional cultural ones in the UK full stop.

But, I don't recall, that this was accompanied by a victim-mentality of 'you're killing me, your assumptions about me are invalidating me, you need to adapt your behaviour and bend towards me and my needs'.

Something's happened in the last decade or so which conflates what should be strong statements about challenging 'norms' together with the trans-agenda of 'the most oppressed people on the earth, no one understands us'.

AAK is that directed at me?

I’m posting my point of view on a thread, i haven’t belittled anyone or been disrespectful. Obviously I haven’t followed the hivemind, but i am not sure why that merits you getting all salty ad hominem at me rather than engaging with what i’ve said.

“ It's the stereotypes that are the problem. If we could break away from them completely no one would be mocked for appearance.”

Exactly, i agree with this completely. This person is breaking away from them and doesn’t deserve mockery for that, either in their day to day life, or when they try and speak up about it.