I cannot believe that Mumsnet - a parenting site!! - agrees with the following:

On the contrary some of us have gone from posting relatively regularly to lurking because we don't know what we are allowed to say and i don't want to get deleted as i use this site for much more than just the feminism board. I am still discussing it in real life with people i know though.

I was given Lupron during IVF treatment. Not much, and over a very short time period of weeks. It came with a shit load of warnings, including detailed discussions of its short- and long-term side effects, as part of my giving informed consent.

The idea of children taking this powerful drug for years, for something that isn't a life threatening condition, is horrifying.

The idea of parents giving their children this powerful drug, in the mistaken belief that it's safe and reversible, is so sad.

The idea of children being given this powerful drug outside medical supervision from an unregulated black market supplier is a dystopian nightmare.

It's untested on kids and off label. Transactivists should be campaigning for a watch and wait. Instead while they demand adult transition is DEmedicalised, they want child transition medicalised earlier and earlier.

Lang says: When people tell you who they are, listen.

Lupron is not just untested, there's ample evidence of harm
www.lupronvictimshub.com/

It was general. It was TKICA.

@Alexa488 - Delurking once more to say I'm happy to be of service!

I seldom post as others say everything that I would have said anyway, and far more eloquently than I ever could. But I (and others like me, I hope) are here, and share many of the concerns raised in this and other threads regarding trans issues and the impacts on women and children. Sometimes it's important to stand up and be counted, even if you have nothing further to add to the discussion.

Well all I can say is that this issue seems to have brought a great many lurkers out of the closet and thank god! you are needed.

Well that's grim, Pratchet. It must have only been a sentence. This is getting ridiculous.

Previous page Prawn (alliterating avidly)
I'm sure you can guess what it was

Its interesting how they mention that by not supporting children to transition either by not believing them or not giving consent for treatment this is transgender conversion therapy. This is in a country where it is more palatable to transition than be homosexual because it isnt in the bible.

they are testing on children

www.nature.com/news/largest-ever-study-of-transgender-teenagers-set-to-kick-off-1.19637

I don't think this is going to end well.

No! What thread is that on? I can see all your posts here, Pratchet.

I wonder how much blue hair dye mnhq staff get through these days

I am certain that the medical transition of under 18s is unethical and dangerous. I can see no possible justification for it.

Medical history is one of my professional interests. Over the years HCP have done dangerous and unethical things because there are fashions in medicine just as there are in other areass. This particular fashion is a real humdinger. When it explodes the fallout will be immense.

On the bright side, it will explode a lot of trans "orthodoxy". But given the price that will be paid, even mentioning a bright side seems in poor taste.

Well I've got my second deletion for my views on child abuse.

iamawoman
beat me to it - drugs are not tested on children, so technically speaking all drugs given to children are 'off licence'. Interestingly drugs are rarely tested on women, pregnant or otherwise, as so many women are either on or have taken the pill. Drugs are tested on fit young men initially prior to clinical testing, ie people who are actually in need of treatment . For everyone else - we're all 'off-licence'.

Just as an aside. My understanding is that most pharmaceutical drugs are not tested on children, after all who is going to consent to that. They are on the whole tested on adults and doses titrated accordingly for child size. Likewise pregnant women.....the children who may currently be taking the hormones are the guinea pigs! The research money needs to focus more on the triggers / underlying causes for being 'trans' .

Beggars belief. And it is very hard not to be angry with MNHQ for the guideline stance they have taken that effectively mutes any clear dissent about uncritical acceptance, and the irreversible medication pathway and surgical mutilation of children and young people.

I mean, good god, look at what I just wrote. We're in a situation where those facts are not in dispute, we are just told they are a positive good and we mustn't critique this behaviour - or at least must do so in the most oblique of language.

I am not going to rail at MNHQ, but as the mother of a GNC child, this is extremely relevant to me, and I am continually shocked at the state of affairs.

@Prawnofthepatriarchy - I'd not heard of that case before. What the poor child went through is horrendous. I'm so relieved that his Dad was given custody of the little boy.

@LangCleg - I feel sick too.

She described other parents using the group's meetings to discuss ways of obtaining cross sex hormones illicitly.

This is really beginning to worry me now. First that bloody dangerous website on the Lupron thread offering to provide information and sources to obtain puberty blockers illegally and now testimony from a mother who observed this happening.

If there are 800 to 1,000 kids on properly (well, legally) prescribed blockers in the UK, how many more are there obtaining black market drugs?

I feel sick.

I feel beyond sorry for parents who genuinely believe they’re doing their best for their kids who will one day come to realise they weren’t.

I remember the 2016 case. I always wondered if the mother was a poster I remembered from here.

Other than that well done that Dad and well done that judge.

The line mnhq seem to have drawn is that it's not ok to say that it's child abuse to parent a child in a way that permits them to present as trans, and access legal and legitimate medical treatment for them.

If this is the thread I’m thinking of, that position wasn’t actually put forward at all. As far as I’m aware nobody was mentioning this as a ‘bad parent’ issue at all.

What was raised was the following, and all of these are worrying

Direct ‘marketing’ (for want of a better word) of incorrect and medically dangerous information to minors. For example this BBC link that promotes puberty blockers as safe harmless and reversible: www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/XZjhcLhQW08Ylw5b0p9xgH/gender-dysphoria-transgender - even worse was a link to a group actively promoting ways for minors to access these drugs directly with no medical supervision. If that’s not grooming, what is?
off label prescription of powerful drugs to minors. Drugs that are being prescribed off label, with no oversight.

• that said drugs are being promoted as being safe, harmless and reversible. To reiterate - this is not the case. These drugs (puberty blockers/GnRH analogues) have the following side effects that we know about: cognitive damage equivalent to 8-10IQ points, osteoporosis, sterility, metabolic damage, and suicidality. Crucially these drugs are actively contraindicated For use in young people with ANY kind of mental health issue.

The whole issue of “legal and proportionate” treatment is one I’d strongly contest. There can be no ethical justification for dosing healthy children with these drugs. They have horrific side effects.

These cannot be questions we can’t raise. No one should be criticising individual parents (but as i said if it’s the thread I’m thinking of nobody actually did.) children’s lifetime health and well-being is at stake here. I’m sure parents are doing v the best they can but how can they make informed choices when they’re given information that doesn’t reflect medical reality?

<a class="break-all" href="https://fairplayforwomen-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/fairplayforwomen.com/boy-lived-stealth-judge/amp/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQECAE4AQ%3D%3D#referrer=www.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ffairplayforwomen.com%2Fboy-lived-stealth-judge%2F" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"> In 2016 a little boy was removed from his mother after she tried to trans him against his will. He went to live with his dad and by all accounts was fine after he got away from his mother. Mermaids was banned from trying to contact the child. The organisation kicked off but later deleted some of their comments.

The judgement isn't long and it's very clearly written.

Either Mumsnet HQ are supporting medical experimentation on children because they truly believe it's the right thing to do or they're supporting it because it's the expedient thing to do.

The latter seems worse.