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Great piece by academic Kathleen Stock (mentions MN)

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Ereshkigal · 27/06/2018 09:22

medium.com/@kathleenstock/when-bindels-speak-b305625a7521

So so good.

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OlennasWimple · 27/06/2018 14:48

Great article

ImpYCelyn · 27/06/2018 14:43

Excellent article! Thanks for the link 🙂

Bowlofbabelfish · 27/06/2018 14:43

But Stock's expertise is in French and Philosophy, particularly the philosophy of fiction. Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant.

Well if you want biology I’m here to assist. I do get the feeling that factual science isn’t the strong point of the Vocal activist subset though.

Philosophy of fiction seems rather... well jolly spot on I’d say.
But she’s talking about belief systems and the way they are used to police the ways women’s words are used. Which is relevant to the discussion, this board, the twittersphere (my goodness, such a wanky term I can’t believe I just wrote that...) and social media / public engagement.

As she says, humans can’t change sex and that’s fairly basic biology - kids should be aware of that by GCSE at the very latest. She shouldn’t need to explain that.

If anyone does believe that humans can change sex, that would be fairly world shattering stuff. So I’d say to them, please do share the mechanism behind it.

bombadino · 27/06/2018 14:42

Great article.
I miss Germaine. I'm off to the bookstore now possibly will find her there.

ALittleBitofVitriol · 27/06/2018 14:41

Straight to the ad hominem hey Damn?
Way to make the article's point!

BeyondFemaleElitist · 27/06/2018 14:41

"Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant"

Damn, it is brilliant to see you admit so clearly that you will accept the knowledge of those of us qualified and working in those areas, as knowing what they are talking about. :)

ALittleBitofVitriol · 27/06/2018 14:35
Star applause!
CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 27/06/2018 14:32

Fan girling over here too. BlushGrin

LangCleg · 27/06/2018 14:30

The author only mentions Mumsnet once but it is clear from the context that a lot of her article is drawing on the experience of gender critical feminists on this forum. People are watching.

Yes, they are. Which is why it is important that we should stay. Also why it is important that we should not be distracted by inimical posters and are much better off when we talk to each other.

rememberatime · 27/06/2018 14:25

So if someone has an opinion or wants to express themselves about a subject they must demonstrably be an expert?

Damnthat... does that mean we should ignore your opinion?

LemonJello · 27/06/2018 14:24

Wow, that is an excellent article. Superbly analysed and argued.

Cascade220 · 27/06/2018 14:23

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NowtSalamander · 27/06/2018 14:21

In the context of what she’s talking about here, she needs to be expert in one thing: being a woman.

Damnthatonestakentryanother2 · 27/06/2018 14:18

Interesting word "academic".
It usually implies "knowledgeable" -- or, more specifically "knowledgeable about the subject they are talking about"
But Stock's expertise is in French and Philosophy, particularly the philosophy of fiction. Not psychology, endocrinology, neuroscience, medicine, biology, or anything that is actually relevant.

Much the same goes for Professor Greer -- big on academic credentials: but demonstrably low on actual knowledge of the subject.

flowersonthepiano · 27/06/2018 14:14

I enjoyed that. Yay for forthright women!

2rebecca · 27/06/2018 14:08

Excellent article

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 27/06/2018 13:51

The author only mentions Mumsnet once but it is clear from the context that a lot of her article is drawing on the experience of gender critical feminists on this forum. People are watching.

Bowlofbabelfish · 27/06/2018 13:23

Brilliant.

And also quite sad in a way because we cannot use language the way we want to. I would love to be able to say exactly what I think, and in real life I do, and in some rather colourful ways, but here and now, I must police myself. Or be banned.

hackmum · 27/06/2018 12:33

That is breathtakingly good.

MnerXX · 27/06/2018 12:31

Really great article. It does beg the question of if MN is such a hotbed of transphobic vipers, why would those who feel particularly sensitive about these things venture onto a gender critical forum. Are they looking to be offended?

Chocolala · 27/06/2018 12:26

Maybe someone could make sure mumsnet reads it.

Or maybe I’ll get banned just for saying that. I did in fact hesitate to type it, for that very reason.

peachescariad · 27/06/2018 12:24

Read, copied and shared - brilliant article

EmpressOfSpartacus · 27/06/2018 12:13

Brilliant article.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 27/06/2018 12:05

Great article

Specially this bit

Next time a natal woman expresses herself in a way you find unattractive, unseemly, unkind, or downright rude about ...... why not shut the fuck up and keep it to yourself.

Obviously the ...... represents the part of my post that would get my post deleted Grin

BesmirchingMotherhood · 27/06/2018 11:37

Great article. @mnhq, you should read it.

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