Great piece by academic Kathleen Stock (mentions MN)

Bowl

I wasn’t terribly serious all the time I have to confess - departmental cheese and wine nights could get messy.

Some of us have "O" Levels too. We are Old Women.

AAK

Yes

There's a sort of code that know-nothings use. They use terms like "serious research scientists' and 'Oxbridge University'. Terms that people who are actually those things would never use,

We see you.

Wooooo!

That told you damn 😂😂😂😂

I went to medical school, but I don’t think I’d have got in if I couldn’t prove I already knew something that basic. That gets taught before GCSE!

And Bowl - you are outstanding 🙇‍♀️

Wow. That's great. Thank you. Is yours GCSE, or not that up to date? Because I'm getting a bit fedup with hearing from people who think the stuff they learned in the first year or two of secondary school trumps the expertise of serious research scientists and consultant-level specialist clinicians.

I have a GCSE yes.
I also have some A levels
And two first degrees (a double first, if you’re asking)
two masters degrees,
a PhD done under a Nobel Laureate,
And a couple of postdocs,
then a career, amounting to 22 years as a ‘serious research scientist’, then a second career mixing said previous life with clinical trials and drug development. Is that enough for you or is there perhaps a swimming certificate or two I can add in as well? I’m sure I have some in the loft....

Funnily enough though this IS GCSE level biology, and I’d imagine any person on here with an iota of common sense can follow the actual science because it isn’t hard.

I also go to bed rather early these days, I’m afraid my pesky female biology has made me a bit pregnant (if anyone from class 3b can answer how that works they can earn five house points) so I’m a little tired.

So, about the science. What did you want to ask about?

I wonder if it will be the equivalent of "the computer is a magic box with gears in it, you people with your undergraduate computer science degrees just don't understand".

'Don’t express an opinion on what women are; leave it to trans women to decide that'

This is the crux of it for me, essentially women are being told in places like MN and elswhere that even beyond any factual points about biology that may be offensive to Trans idiology - how women feel about their sex and the things affecting that class are somehow irrelevant and dangerous.

It started with a social pressure ban on factual scientific words and conclusions about sex and has now extended to not even being allowed convey even our lived experience in public anymore.

A woman has already been told by a Judge that she had to change the sex by which she referred to her opponant in court - how long before Laws come in that will actually send women to prison for their refusal to lie about factual reality?

For full effect needs to be followed with link to Wikipedia.

So just to recap,
Dr Kathleen Stock Director of Teaching and Learning (School of History, Art History and Philosophy) 'no relevent knowledge'

Professor Germaine Greer 'demonstrably low on actual knowledge of the subject.'

BowlofBabelfish 'Is yours GCSE, or not that up to date? Because I'm getting a bit fedup with hearing from people who think the stuff they learned in the first year or two of secondary school trumps the expertise of serious research scientists and consultant-level specialist clinicians'

Blimey!

I'm just going to replicate damns post in full (a) to save people scrolling so far upthread and (b) in case someone 'helpfully' reports it as a personal attack and it gets deleted

'Bowlofbabelfish
Well if you want biology I’m here to assist. I do get the feeling that factual science isn’t the strong point of the Vocal activist subset though.
Wow. That's great. Thank you. Is yours GCSE, or not that up to date? Because I'm getting a bit fedup with hearing from people who think the stuff they learned in the first year or two of secondary school trumps the expertise of serious research scientists and consultant-level specialist clinicians.
And you are right although it's a surprise to hear it from you that facts are not the strong point of anti-trans activists.'

Oh dear oh dear oh dear. It's almost as though damn can't imagine that a person could be a woman and a serious research scientist.

I had to come out of hiding for this. You would think people would be considerate of my self imposed exile. Tut.

Just caught up with this.
Not place marking at all!

Anyhoo

Bed for me

(I nearly typed just bed and thought'oooh thats going to sound rude')

Oh no spontaneous

It worked exactly as it should

Sorry Rufus My attempt at snark didn't work very well

Off to bed

I can't even wait 3 minutes

Yeah and what beyond said

What if shes gone on holiday

spontaneous

My post re sarcasm was to beyond

You were just too bloody quick

Paging Dr Bowl...

We'll have to throw a tantrum like other people who don't get their own way. My DGD did today cos her mum wouldn't buy her a yo-yo.

What if she doesn't back online til, like, tomorrow night...!!!?

Do you see Bowl Rufus? Me neither. Tomorrow is in 20 minutes.

Wait...

Was that sarcasm