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Great piece by academic Kathleen Stock (mentions MN)

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Ereshkigal · 27/06/2018 09:22

medium.com/@kathleenstock/when-bindels-speak-b305625a7521

So so good.

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Rufustheyawningreindeer · 29/06/2018 13:14

Did damn not come back?

PersonWithAVulva · 29/06/2018 10:30

Oh I do love when TRAs try the advanced biology card when Bowl is around. Grin

Shamelessly placemarking.

CaptainBrickbeard · 28/06/2018 18:30

thebewilderness that meltdown is very telling!

Coyoacan · 28/06/2018 18:25

I have long admired your calm, informed, civil contributions (often in the face of rather uncivil replies)

Indeed and your level of education has been transparent in your posts. Many congratulations on your pregnancy and thanks everyone for making me laugh more than I have in a long time.

Waddlelikeapenguin · 28/06/2018 18:08

Bowl Flowers i hope mini bowl gives you some peace before they get skin side Flowers

R0wantrees · 28/06/2018 17:23

Bowlofbabelfish very good wishes and best hopes for a safe arrival.

Also thanks for all your posts in recent months, I've learned a lot from you (not just the sciency stuff!).

I have long admired your calm, informed, civil contributions (often in the face of rather uncivil replies)

Flowers
thebewilderness · 28/06/2018 15:44

Damn2 is having their narcissistic rage meltdown on the Reality thread.

CertainHalfDesertedStreets · 28/06/2018 14:55

Wow. That's great. Thank you. Is yours GCSE, or not that up to date? Because I'm getting a bit fedup with hearing from people who think the stuff they learned in the first year or two of secondary school trumps the expertise of serious research scientists and consultant-level specialist clinicians.

Anyone else been calculating the time taken to achieve all those amazing academic qualifications and professional life .... AND still be young and fertile enough to be “ a little bit pregnant “?? Very impressive.

God I'm cringing so much I think I might have performed some accidental genital surgery on myself Shock

CaptainBrickbeard · 28/06/2018 14:34

Oh, is Damnthat not coming back then? I can’t imagine why...

BaronessBlonde · 28/06/2018 14:24

Bowl I don't "know" you on here but congrats from a stranger and best wishes for your final few weeks.

OlennasWimple · 28/06/2018 14:19

Blimey Bowl, there you are, flaunting your c*s privilege and your elitist female biology. .. Wink

Congratulations Flowers

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 28/06/2018 14:12

Have a lovely maternity leave, Bowl. If you get too hot a child's paddling pool in the garden is bliss. Bear

I'd guess you'll have more time for Mumsnet rather than less. It's the sort of thing that easily fits round anything else you're doing.

Rufustheyawningreindeer · 28/06/2018 13:37

Happy maternity leave

Thanks
Bowlofbabelfish · 28/06/2018 12:36

That would mean that the structural barriers women faced in their careers were rooted in female reproductive biology and we can't be referencing pesky awkward facts like that, now, can we?

Do not get me started on that one... Grin

Cheers all! Will report back when successful delivery of infant has occurred (fingers crossed.)

littlbrowndog · 28/06/2018 12:34

Great news bowl. Have very happy maternity leave.

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/06/2018 12:27

Still several weeks to go!! I’m clocking off early because I’ve been very unwell with HG and SPD and physically I need to rest (knackered old body I’m afraid...) on crutches and still spewing daily so rather shattered.

If this one is like the last one I will be having an awful lot of time in the wee small hours to muck around in MN Grin

Thank you for all your good wishes, I’ll be lurking even if I’m too bug eyed with tiredness to post ;)

tsonlyme · 28/06/2018 12:16

Dammit if Bowl is about to go on maternity leave then she’s likely to drop a sprog any day now and we all know how those pesky babies eat up our time. Bowl - I hope you’ll still find time to come here and educate/amuse us when you can.

Congratulations Smile

spontaneousgiventime2 · 28/06/2018 11:40

Bowl, that is simple not enough, never mind having a baby (congratulations by the way) go back to school.

FermatsTheorem · 28/06/2018 11:38

Another congrats from me, Bowl.

(Another late pregnancy from a female professional scientist - is definitely a thing in my workplace, myself included. Almost as though there's some sort of tension there between the workplace culture to publish, publish, publish while you establish your career, versus the old biological clock when it comes to beating the menopause... But no, surely not. That would mean that the structural barriers women faced in their careers were rooted in female reproductive biology and we can't be referencing pesky awkward facts like that, now, can we?)

KittyKlaws · 28/06/2018 11:29

And can a wizard identify as a witch if they want to? And have I drifted ridiculously far from the point of the thread?]

I bet there's a fan fic for that.

Also want to add my congratulations Bowl on your pregnancy and indeed, your efficiency - something I haven't quite mastered.

Enjoy maternity leave.

NotBadConsidering · 28/06/2018 11:13

Bowl would definitely be in Ravenclaw.

[ponders why wizards and witches don't learn any biology at Hogwarts. Do they all leave without knowing how babies are made? And can a wizard identify as a witch if they want to? And have I drifted ridiculously far from the point of the thread?]

Bowlofbabelfish · 28/06/2018 10:58

Oh thank you! That’s a lovely image :)

One more day to go then maternity leave... I cannot wait.

Materialist · 28/06/2018 10:45

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KittyKlaws · 28/06/2018 10:37

Well presumably Damnthat is not qualified to air any opinions on here anymore since they assume we should only hear from experts and I think that might be a relief to us all.

I like the article and my first degree is philosophy (I know Smile ) so I happen to know that deconstructing how language is formed, defining what words mean and the importance of that meaning and how we go about debating a topic are very much in the wheelhouse of a philosopher (see also Kripke, Wittgenstein, Frege, Ayer et. al. - oh and any philosopher who has had to take on a point of view and rebut it - soooo ... that would be all of them).

4seasons · 28/06/2018 10:34

As I said before ... very impressive.
Thank you for clarifying the timings.... there are people on the MN site who can be less than honest so a little bit of cynicism is to be expected I think.
Good luck with your pregnancy... I’m sure you’ll be just as “ efficient “ as a mum ! Unfortunately you won’t get any certificates for it... well , I didn’t.

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